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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
free will as most men define it is an illusion

FK: You disagree with this part, right?

3,542 posted on 08/21/2007 3:30:13 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg
Dr. E.: "... free will as most men define it is an illusion ..."

D-fendr: "FK: You disagree with this part, right?"

Nope, I agree with Dr. E. in full, as usual. :) I am the one who has been using free will in the unusual sense, that of solely the experiential. I have been saying things like that we freely come to Christ because that is actually how we experience it at the time. In most cases it isn't until later sanctification by the Spirit that we learn that God was in full and total control all along. I certainly didn't understand that when I was saved. So, Dr. E. and I are really saying the same thing in different ways. We experience free will in choosing, and so that is what most people think. Little do most know what God is doing and has done behind the scenes.

4,126 posted on 08/24/2007 9:35:26 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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