[irishtenor]

We see scripture as the outpouring of Christ to his own. The church is only the means to receive, listen, learn, worship, and honor him. The church is run by fallible men, who are not perfect. Don’t get me wrong, they are Godly men, as were David, Joshua, Moses, etc, but they were still fallible. All of them sinned before God, as we all do. There has to be a standard, and that standard is the Word.

[D-fendr]

I understand. We have quite different views of what Christ intended to be His Church. And we see a difference between His Church and any individual in it with regard to his or her failings.

There has to be a standard, and that standard is the Word.

And we see Word as Word become Flesh, the second person of the Triune God. He is the head of His visible Church which He established and promised to protect and through whose authority scripture and it's proper interpretation comes.

I understand you do not share these beliefs. But they may help to explain why, for us, choosing between Church or Scripture is a false choice.

thanks for your reply...

[kosta50]

The church is only the means to receive, listen, learn, worship, and honor him. The church is run by fallible men, who are not perfect

If that's so, how did the Church put together what you read and worship as Bible? or did the Bible just fall from the sky, like manna?