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To: stfassisi
It says that the Man in Hell used his "free will" not to fully accept Christ's sacrifice.

Illogical as well as unScriptural. If the sin has been forgiven once for all time, completely, then that man stands acquitted before God. Why would that man then suffer for those sins that God has already forgiven?

When you assume men possess the final say in their own salvation, you rob God of His sovereignty and make the cross of no effect.

"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith." -- Galatians 5:1-5

THE ALL-SUFFICIENCY OF CHRIST IN OUR REDEMPTION
(Conclusive Evidence for Definite Atonement)

"As servants of Christ we can all agree that God limits the application of the atonement, for ultimately not everyone will be redeemed. The question is, what or who determines how this application will be limited? Man or God? The purpose of this essay is to prove to you the all-sufficiency of the work of Christ in the redemption of His elect. Even if the non-elect receive some non-redemptive benefits from the atonement (temporarily averting wrath for one), there is clearly a sense in which He died for the elect in a way that He did not for the non-elect; that is, to purchase their redemption...

What does Christ do for us on the cross? Does He only take us halfway to salvation and leave our fallen will to do the rest? No, on the cross He purchased our redemption (from first to last) which will be applied to His people by the Holy Spirit in a time of His sovereign determination. This redemption includes everything necessary for us to be saved. God has personally set His affection on us from eternity. Father, Son and Holy Spirit work in harmony together to bring about the plan worked out in the eternal counsels of the Trinity (Eph 1:5)..."


3,278 posted on 08/20/2007 5:15:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
When you assume men possess the final say in their own salvation, you rob God of His sovereignty and make the cross of no effect.

When you assume Man has No "Free Will", than you rob God Of the the true love He has for man because God would be forcing Himself on those who accept Him. LOVE DOES NOT FORCE!

I told you once before that I see John Calvin as a type of Anti-Christ . He loved a book(the Bible)A book he did not even understand.

Calvin had no clue typological meanings of scripture and how things were revealed in the New Testament.

He should have spent his time reading the early Church fathers rather than give credit to people for stomping on the Eucharist-The Body,Blood ,Soul and Divinity of Christ

BTW,Dear Sister Your Scripture twisting will never convince ANY knowledgeable Catholic.

I wish you a Blessed Evening!

I will pray for you!

3,282 posted on 08/20/2007 5:42:55 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You may want to consider that there are two types of sin:

Original sin.

Sins of omission and commission.

This is where the theologically wanting often make a mistake in lumping the two of them together.


3,292 posted on 08/20/2007 6:33:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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