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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Ah. Belief will put me on Calvin’s list of the predetermined, will it?

No, it is the reverse. No, it is not Calvin's list. Those God predetermines will believe. (Rom. 8:29-30) Calvin just recognized that in the Bible.

Now do I get my post-dunk get out of hell free card? Or is this a different subset of Protestant heresy?

Dunking has nothing to do with getting out of hell. You are referring to the Apostolic view that baptism is salvational. I will agree with you that it is heresy, though. :)

3,269 posted on 08/20/2007 2:12:19 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr
Dunking has nothing to do with getting out of hell

"Dunking" and HS are tow events that take place at the same time. We Orthodox apply the seal (chrism) immediately; the Catholics at the "age of reason." You yourself believe that you can't believe without the HS. As soon as you are resurreected form the baptismal bath, you are forgiven and spiritually clean and the HS can be received.

It's not a salvation as a moment but a beginning of your salvation in the life of faith.

3,275 posted on 08/20/2007 4:58:14 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper

We do agree on one thing, I suppose. There is the elect that God has chosen to accomplish a purpose.

I would submit Elijah and Elisha (and perhaps Moses) and Mary who accomplished God’s purposes, who were pure and thus able to ascend to Heaven without the putrefaction of death.

The heresy is that this is extended to everyone who will go to heaven and that those to whom it is not extended will go to hell.

Nasty doctrine of a nasty man, and not supported Biblically. Predestination says that man’s efforts are not of effect and not worth spit. The Bible (Matt 25 for one) says differently.


3,290 posted on 08/20/2007 6:28:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Forest Keeper

0h yes.

Baptism is now anti Biblical is it? Tell me if you would, why bother getting baptised, if you would? It is not salvational, so therefore it is an irritant?

Oh boy, you folks have strayed.


3,302 posted on 08/20/2007 6:47:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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