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To: MarkBsnr
Mark,I follow, do you?.

Do you not see the circular reasoning of your statement that the church produced scripture and then turns around and says that scripture produces the infallible church?

Isn't that like saying I am the Queen because I produced the documents that prove that I am the Queen?

ps. I am not a gangster.

3,068 posted on 08/19/2007 1:23:36 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: suzyjaruki

The Catholic Church has produced the documents that it has. In them, is the origin and justification that it is who it says it is.

If you do not belong to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, then which organization do you belong to?


3,070 posted on 08/19/2007 1:31:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: suzyjaruki
Do you not see the circular reasoning of your statement that the church produced scripture and then turns around and says that scripture produces the infallible church?

It's not circular reasoning. They're both produced by God. Christ founded the Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit inspired the bible, which was collected and published by His Church to spread the Good Word and bring further Glory to God.

3,072 posted on 08/19/2007 2:06:15 PM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: suzyjaruki

Your questions only make sense if you sever Christ’s head from his body.


3,088 posted on 08/19/2007 5:34:47 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: suzyjaruki
Jesus made the Church infallible by sending the Holy Spirit to guide it at Pentacost.

Man does not make the Church infallible, the the Holy Spirit does. The Church does not make the Church infallible, the Holy Spirit does. The Bible does not make the Church infallible, the Holy Spirit does.

John 16:13-15

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

It isn't like there is just one Scripture that points to the HS guiding the Church in Truth , the Gospel is filled with references and consider who He is speaking to, the Apostles, exclusively. Not the crowds that followed him but the Apostles and one individual person. The Holy Spirit speaks it's Truth through the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church.

I believe those who think that they are the arbiters of truth, personally led by the HS to interpret the Scriptures as they will, are the ones with circular reasoning.

3,099 posted on 08/19/2007 6:44:29 PM PDT by tiki
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