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To: Alamo-Girl

No question about loving and following God.

The problem is those who claim that the indwelling Spirit is leading them to this conclusion, to that action or to the other theology, often to the apparent contradiction of Scripture, and of nearly all of the others who claim the same condition.

I have a picture of you, A-G, from your posts, and it is radically different from many others who also claim that the indwelling Spirit is guiding them as well, but to radically different philosophies, conclusions, interpretations and actions. I do not gainsay the idea of the Holy Spirit indwelling, indeed, since the Bible tells us so, then it is so. I believe that He is within me as well.

But what other possible conclusion can we come to than that the Holy Spirit is one voice amongst the internal babble of whims, desires, lusts and addictions and that most people only catch a little of what is being said.

That is one of the great pieces of temporal evidence that the Church is meant to be the guide. Without the Church, all else is anarchy, with every Tom Dick and Harry claiming Spiritual Guidance as the rationale behind their clearly distinctive directions. Never mind that the Bible tells us the role of the Church, as well.


2,696 posted on 08/18/2007 10:59:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
That is one of the great pieces of temporal evidence that the Church is meant to be the guide. Without the Church, all else is anarchy, with every Tom Dick and Harry claiming Spiritual Guidance as the rationale behind their clearly distinctive directions.

I disagree.

In my experience, His Authentic Sheep . . . KNOW HIM AND tend to know one another . . .

REGARDLESS OF ORGANIZATION; DOCTRINAL DISTINCTIVES; ECCLESIASTICAL PONTIFICATIONS; MAGICSTERICALS; TRADITIONS . . . whatever.

God often seems to . . . be messy.

Of course we have the Tabernacle in the wilderness and the Temple . . . very precise and absolute dimensions and directions. No doubt.

Yet, that is OT, fulfilled etc. . . . a type of the Heavenly pattern, model.

IN the New Testament . . . what a raucus group. Roman authoritarianism; slavery; mayhem often enough; grand-standing pontificators after their own power mongering etc. etc. etc.

THROUGH IT ALL . . . GOD HAD A PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM AND EACH OTHER.

And, it wasn't because of a particular set of hoop jumping and absent foreskin inspections that resulted in that knowing.

Holy Spirit made the arrangements. Holy Spirit confirmed His operations and those who were Christ's authentically.

He's actually quite sufficient.

We are compelled in our fears and insecurities to always attempt to insist that it HAS TO BE

HOLY SPIRIT plus.

Whatever the "plus" is,

IS AN AFFRONT to HIM.

He's patient in our childishness most of the time. I think, perhaps, increasingly, less so because He knows what we have to be ready for.

But He's been managing people a lot longer than the distinctive MAGICSTERICALS have.

He also just happens to be better at it.

God forbid . . . the angel appears at the door--COME!

And the Believer begs . . . OH, DEAR! Wait--I have to phone the MAGICSTERICAL--they have to vet your command . . . oh, dear, I hope they are on speed-dial . . .

Or maybe the believer leaves immediately with the angel, wisely not hesitating to gather some knick nacks . . . only to travel 15 feet and pause, beg a delay--to turn and call their neighborhood representative of the MAGICSTERICAL. I wonder how many pillars of salt will result.

2,869 posted on 08/18/2007 7:33:06 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: MarkBsnr
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony and concerns! And thank you for your encouragements!

Romans 7 and 8 explain the differences we see among Christians who all claim to follow the Holy Spirit. It is a walk. IOW, it takes time to learn to trust Him enough to actually and fully let go of this world. Until that happens, a Christian is apt to cling to this life, i.e. his carnal urgings.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. - Phl 2:12

To God be the glory!

2,941 posted on 08/18/2007 9:19:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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