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To: kosta50
I didn't say Flood is not possible, just that no evidence shows that there was a world-wide flood.

No you dismiss it because there is no verifiable evidence. You dismiss the Exodus because there is no verifiable evidence. You dismiss much of what Jesus attested to because there is no verifiable evidence.

But there is certainly no verifiable evidence of the existence of Christ, much less his virgin birth or his miracles or his resurrection.

Frankly kosta, I really don't know what you believe other than that your church is the only true church and that it alone is somehow infallible.

On what basis do you claim the infallibility of your church?

2,656 posted on 08/18/2007 1:05:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
No you dismiss it because there is no verifiable evidence. You dismiss the Exodus because there is no verifiable evidence. You dismiss much of what Jesus attested to because there is no verifiable evidence

That's how we operate P-Marlowe, especially in your profession. Imagine where we would be if courts operated without verifiable evidence?

Everyone's beliefs are based on some kind of information we take as "evidence." You take bible as evidence.

I didn't say all this never happened. It may have happened but not the way it is described because there is no evidence to corroborate the Bible.

The Great Flood could be the great deluge of the Black Sea, as few hundred cultures in that region of the world have flood myths. The Tigris and Euphrates have also been known to flood, with sediments several feet deep. In the case of the Black Sea, the sediments are as thick as one hundred feet!

Such catastrophes could have only been understood by ancient peoples as God's wrath. Imagine the Dec 2005 tsunami disaster. I am sure a couple of thousand years ago the description would have involved God's hands in it.

Did it happen? Most probably. Did it happen the way the Bible narrates it? Probably not, because there is no evidence to corroborate the biblical story. Is it a lie? Most probably not since some kind of flood did happen for all those cultures to have myths about it.

Did Jews ever live in Egypt? It's questionable. Did they leave and cause the Egyptian army to drown? Unlikely. Ramses' son conquered Canaan a generation after the biblical Exodus and never punished the Hebrews for their act.

Is there evidence of Egyptian presence on Sinai around 14th century BC? Yes. Is there evidence of few hundred Hebrews roaming the Sinai for 40 years. No. The Israeli arheologicsts have been digging for some evidence ever since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

How do you conceal evidence of an entire city of few hundred thousand people (I believe the Bible says 600,000 men! not counting women and children), without a trace is more than a valid question, when archaeologists can find remnants of smaller settlements without any problems?

If there were Jews in Egypt, they could have left gradually in small groups, perhaps even over a 40 year period.

It is difficult to reconcile what the Bible says and what the extra-biblical evidence shows. It's a challenge. It's not what we want to hear. It makes people unsettled. It shakes their confidence and the very foundation of life, which is hope. It scares them. So, they dismiss it.

And that's fine. We all approach our existence as best as we can cope. Some choose to face the challenge; others to hide in a corner and bury their faces in a book.

2,680 posted on 08/18/2007 8:51:47 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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