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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; kawaii; wmfights
Mark 16:16 says "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned." Notice that he says it's not enough to just believe (i.e. puts to rest the Protestant sola fide).

I'm afraid sola fide is just fine with this. :) No one can truly believe unless he has already been baptized by the Holy Spirit. That is, in effect, the installation of faith, and so we believe. Sola Fide is secure. No one can "believe" without the Holy Spirit first acting, otherwise it is just "claiming" to believe. It isn't real.

Thus, Mark seems to suggest that faith is a requirement, but is not salvational without Baptism!

That's right! That IS what he's saying. He's just not talking about water baptism. :) A claimed faith without baptism of the Spirit is a false faith.

2,623 posted on 08/17/2007 4:30:03 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; kawaii; wmfights
No one can truly believe unless he has already been baptized by the Holy Spirit

So, whatcomes first, FK, faith or the Holy Spirit? Are you more likely to look up and say "There's God!" or does the Holy Spirit "jump" into you and then you say "I believe?"

Do you believe and ask the Holy spirit to come and dwell inside of you or does he just make Hismelf comfortable with or without invitation?

Why do I feel the Protestants believe the latter? No wonder you guys like Paul so much! :)

2,625 posted on 08/17/2007 4:38:56 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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