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If this is Our Saviour's genealogy then why does it bother to mention Ham and Japheth?

This is a good question, but before I start on this, I want to say that you are being careless on your interpretation of types in scripture. Most of the time it is up to us to discern the meaning of the types, but in the case of Adam and Eve, we are told that they are types of Christ and the Church respectively. I don’t know if you have thought through this, but to say that Eve, the type of the church is a prostitute, doesn’t fit.

How quickly a lie takes root in the soil that this world has to offer, but in order for the truth to take root, you must break up your fallow ground. It grates my soul because so few people can discern the lie that you proffer. It causes people to turn away from the study of Types, just as numerology has caused people to avoid the study of numbers in scripture.

Speaking of numbers, lets go back to your original question about Ham and Japheth. Numbers in scripture have meaning that is profitable for doctrine. 1-7 completes the series and 8 starts new. Consider the number 1-3, with the father, son and spirit. Attributes of the father go under the number one; attributes of the son go under the number two and so on. These patterns continue throughout God’s word.

Now look at Adams three sons. Independence puts Cain under number one. Death puts Able under number two and restoration puts Seth under three. All trinities in scripture are related to “the Trinity” in this way. Forward ten generations to Noah and again you have three sons. The same patterns will apply here though it is hard to know if Shem is the second or third son. I would say third. We surely know that he is not the firstborn. Ten more generations and we have three sons Abram, Nahor and Haran. I would guess that Nahor was the eldest and Abram was the youngest. Ten more generations to Boaz, guess what? Three sons.

I don’t have time to go into it any deeper. God leaves his fingerprints on everything he touches. Surely you recognize that this is Christ’s genealogy and that is why Cain is not in it.

P-Marlowe; I know you did not want to continue in this discussion, but I wanted to thank you for the many links and arguments you have made in this discussion.

Seven

I don’t know if you have thought through this, but to say that Eve, the type of the church is a prostitute, doesn’t fit.

I did not call Eve a prostitute.

It is hard to know if Shem is the second or third son. I would say third. We surely know that he is not the firstborn.

Japheth is the eldest [Genesis 10:21] Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

In the genealogies of chapter 10, Japheth comes first [10:2]...Ham comes next [10:6] followed by Shem....the youngest. [10:21]

[Genesis 10:32] These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Most of the time it is up to us to discern the meaning of the types, but in the case of Adam and Eve, we are told that they are types of Christ and the Church respectively. I don’t know if you have thought through this, but to say that Eve, the type of the church is a prostitute, doesn’t fit.

Diego did not say that Eve, or the church, was a type of prostitute. He said that the event of having twins by different fathers happened with prostitutes.

It grates my soul because so few people can discern the lie that you proffer.

You believe I lie?

It causes people to turn away from the study of Types, just as numerology has caused people to avoid the study of numbers in scripture.

You continue to study types and I study numbers in scriptures, which is not numerology. We haven't been turned away. Are we the only ones?

Use your same reasoning with believing my "lie" is turning people away from truth with that of some people, that cannot answer the scriptures that have been put forth to prove the position some of us are taking, with calling it heretical, gnostic, racist, posting articles that are filled with lies, etc. That is used to turn them away from the truth too. The only way we know what is and what is not truth and a lie is to read it in the scriptures. Some of us have done that, over and over but few try to actually understand or answer with their rebuttal.

Seven, I do think numbers are important in the Bible but I do not see what you see about the three sons, etc. I can't understand the point you are trying to make, except that because of that theory you believe Cain has to be the son of Adam. When I weigh that theory against the many scriptures telling us that Cain is not of Adam - I'm afraid I must go with the scriptures.

Surely you recognize that this is Christ’s genealogy and that is why Cain is not in it.

I recognize the genealogy of Christ and that of Satan.

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