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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; kosta50; Diego1618; D-fendr
You know ping, none of your verses tie together.

Sure they do. Christ is telling us what He wants the church to teach - About the Kenites, sons of Cain.

As I pointed out earlier, your premise for the two creations is based upon the KJV translation of heavens in Gen 1:1 and Heaven in Gen 1:2. It has been shown to you that the word for Heavens and Heaven are both the same exact hebrew word and only the KJV has a differing translation.

No, it hasn't. As I said before, we appear to have deuling scholars. Mine states:

With Heb. Particle 'eth before each, emphasising the Article "the", and thus distinguishing both from 2:2 "Heavens" in Heb. always in pl.

I don't know about you but that didn't make a bit of sense to me.....anyway, he thinks the translation of "heaven" in the singular is correct in vs.1.

If nothing else it should tell you that those verses should not be the basis for advocating for a strange doctrine (one shared uniquely by Mormons and White Supremists).

hummmm. Sure sounds like someone might be talking racism again (or else why would that person continue to bring that up???) The heaven/heavens deal is NOT the basis for what I have been talking about. It is only one small part of a puzzle. As I said before, disregard it if your scholars believe it is not correct. There are other areas to discuss.

Now your doctrine of Cain being the son of Satan is directly contradicted by the plain language of Genesis 4:1. Adam was the father of Cain. Period.

Then why is he not listed in Adam's genealogy. Why does he have a separate line of his own? Why does Christ tell us he is the son of the devil? Why does Paul tell us Eve was "wholly seduced"? Why does Christ want the churches to teach who his children are? Why did God throw them out of the Garden as there was no "apple" there.

but if you wish to try to explain your strange doctrines, then please start with Revelation 1:18.

I feel that scripture is a warning to us to listen to what He is about to teach. He has "the keys of hell and of death." He also has the seven churches in His hands.

The first church He approves of is Smyrna (2:8) and the other is Philadelphia (3:7). That Key of David is the key to biblical understanding and once you have the knowledge, that the 2 churches have, no one can take that away. The similarity that these two churches have that the others do not is that they teach about the Kenites.

9.Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

Knowing who they are will (10)"keep thee from the hour of temption, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

It sounds crucial to understand who those are that "say they are Jews but are not".

Who does Christ tell us that they are?

John 8:13The Pharisees therefore said unto Him "Thou bearest record of Thyself; Thy record is not true." (I use this verse to show who Christ is speaking to in the following verses - the Pharisees, supposed Jews)

33.We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest Thou, 'Ye shall be made free?'" (We know that the true Hebrews were in bondage in Egypt)

37.I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you.
38.I speak that which I have seen with My Father; and ye do that which ye have seen with your father."
(lower case father - Satan)
41.Ye do the deeds of your father."....
44.Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So....Jesus tells us who they are that "say they are Jews but are not". They are the synagogue of Satan and their father is the devil. They are the ones that killed Christ. Not the true Jews who have been taking that blame forever.

BTW, I'll admit that my mind is not open to your theories, but you are free to try to explain them.

Thank you Marlowe. I think it is a very important message.......Ping

2,396 posted on 08/13/2007 1:19:01 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; P-Marlowe; wmfights; kosta50; Diego1618; D-fendr
Then why is he not listed in Adam's genealogy. Why does he have a separate line of his own?

The rule in scripture is natural first, then spiritual. The genealogies in Genesis are given for the natural man first. But Christ does not come out of the firstborn. The line through Seth is the genealogy of Christ and Cain is not a part of that. There are several other examples of this in Genesis. Shem. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and Pharaz are not firstborn.
2,410 posted on 08/13/2007 3:22:44 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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