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To: kosta50; wmfights; xzins; topcat54; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; invoman; P-Marlowe
The word translated by the authors of KJV as "glorified" comes from the Greek word doxazo which means to praise, or doxa—praise

I have absolutely no problem with that description. When I gave you the verse it was in answer to your statement of, "Sorry, in my religion, the only one who is glorified is God.. It was just to let you know it was a Biblical phrase, although I thought you knew it already.

We don't earn to be praised, or 'glorified,' or to be 'elect.' If God predestined us to election from before foundations of the world, there was no earning as we didn't even exist. It's not Christian to say our election was earned .

But then doesn't that raise the question of WHY? Why would He choose some if He is no respector of persons? If you don't want to call it "earned", call it "because of what we did in that first age". We did exist, our souls have been with Him since He created us and will be until eternity or the lake of fire.

The Bible does not speak of anything happening betwen day 6 and 7. You are squeezing in some prior 'age' in this period when Satan falls. Where does it say in the Bible when Satan fell?

No, I'm saying the first age was before the second half of verse 2 - before the first day. As for your other question, "when Satan fell", I don't know if it tells us. We know he was loved by God before his fall, we know that he has fallen by the time he is in the Garden of Eden (in the role of the serpent), with Adam and Eve. His fall had to take place before that and that is when "the earth was (became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

Okay, I can agree with the latter part, but who exactly are the elect? The prophets and the apostles?

The elect are those spoken of in Rom.8:26-33:

28.And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.
29.For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

When did He foreknow them? From the first age! He called, justified and glorified them because He knows He can count on them to stand against Satan in end times. They have a job to do as told us in the Olivet prophecies. There have always been elect through the ages and they brought His Word forward.

Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew (When did He foreknow them?)
4. but what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

Those are God's elect. The number seven means spiritual completeness so that number could mean whatever number God thinks is complete - or it could be 7,000. They did not and will not bow to Satan when he is here trying to deceive Christians. The elect are those that know the truth, they know that anti-christ comes first, pretending to be Christ and they will not be taken in.

Ping....This earth age will end, not the earth.
Kosta...Our sun is a furnace with limited fuel. The earth will end. We know that.

I know that scientist say that but I also know that God said:

Rev.21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
22.And I saw no Temple therein: for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are the Temple of it

Does that mean being in another dimension? Is it a rejuvenated heaven and earth? Note the following verse:

23.And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

So....Does that mean that the sun is gone (as you said) or just that there is no need of it???

2,159 posted on 08/11/2007 12:39:51 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; wmfights; xzins; topcat54; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; invoman; P-Marlowe
It was just to let you know it was a Biblical phrase

Biblical phrases, like all reading, must be understood in context and not as isolated sentences, and in the spirit and conceptional mindset of the language and culture in which it was written.

You may wish to watch Pastor Scott (either one of them).

Why would He choose some if He is no respector of persons?

I think you are mixing things up. God is impartial when it comes to judgment. He chose some to be His instruments in His gradual revelation to mankind.

We did exist, our souls have been with Him since He created us

Again, pre-existence of the souls was never taught by the Apostles or the Church. It is a pagan, ancient Jewish and Gnostic belief. Apparently the Mormon cult shares in it.

As for your other question, "when Satan fell", I don't know if it tells us

The only evidence of this in the Bible is in Luke (10:18). The only reference to a fallen angel is in Rev 9:1.

We know he was loved by God before his fall, we know that he has fallen by the time he is in the Garden of Eden (in the role of the serpent), with Adam and Eve

That is a conjecture, especially in view of the fact that the proverbial serpent is being punished together with Adam and Eve. If the serpent is Satan and he fell before humans were around, he would already have been punished.

I know that scientist say that but I also know that God said

It's more than saying: they actually observe start in different stages of death.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No sea? To pass away means to die; to be gone. The Sun will eventually swallow up the earth and inner planets and vaporize or blow out of orbit the rest.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

because the dead need no sun or the moon. But their souls can be spiritually nourished without them? 

2,163 posted on 08/11/2007 2:25:16 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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