I do know that God DID ordain that lucifer fall, but I'm not sure how to evaluate its importance. Without it, there would be no need for salvation (apparently). And without the crucifixion of course there would BE no salvation. If lucifer broke away against God's intent, then we have a very weak God indeed. Why should we believe in any of God's promises for the future if lucifer (or man) has the power to thwart what God wants?
Dear Brother...Don’t you see where this belief of ordination of sin eventually leads to?
It leads to our omnipotent God who always gets everything He wants, and Who carries out His preordained plan to perfection and without interference or set back.
Please explain how is this to be understood with the Reformed notion that the "elect" were "saved" (and were to be specifically created to be saved) and the "reprobate" were "condemned" (and were to be specifically created to be rejected) before the foundation of the world, and before there were any humans on earth, before they had any faith, and was therefore not necessary for their salvation.
What did Christ's sacrifice on the Cross change vis-avis the preordained "salvation" set in stone, so to say, of the elect established before the foundation of the world?
What do our prayers change vis-avis the preodained fate of all the people of the world before they even existed?
What do our sins change or bring about if anything vis-a-vis the preodained damnation of the reprobate?
According to the reformed theology, those who were created for destruction cannot repent because God won't allow it; and those who have been chosen to be spared for all eternity cannot fall away no matter what sins they commit, because God won't allow it.
Why, the sheep were separated from the goats before they even existed. We might as well just ignore the entire human history, and just proceed to the Final Judgment, before the foundation of the world.