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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr
Kosta: So, why did Jesus pray?

FK: Jesus, who was 100% human, prayed for the same reason we do. He wanted intimacy with the Father, and we also know for sure that He supplicated. I happen to think it was His pure prayer life that allowed 100% human Jesus to take what He knew was coming.

But Christ is also 100% God. The way you describe it He is somewhat "schizophrenic" in the context in which my question was asked, which was that prayers change things from our human point of view (i.e. our ignorance).

You seem to suggest that Christ was ignorant of His divine knowledge rather than, as the Church teaches, that He exists in perfect harmony as both fully God and fully human.

Given that our name-sake theological concepts of the Holy Trinity and Christology differ on even superficial analysis, I wonder if we share even those basic Christian foundations; in other words we are not even in communion on the very basics of the Christian faith, but simply share the same terminology with very different and incompatible concepts attached to them.

That leads me to believe that we are much farther apart than one generally acknowledges. I would say two completely unrelated religions using the same terminology.

11,427 posted on 11/26/2007 4:13:16 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
You seem to suggest that Christ was ignorant of His divine knowledge rather than, as the Church teaches, that He exists in perfect harmony as both fully God and fully human.

Didn't mean to. I know that Christ prayed for the cup to be taken away AFTER He had already prophesied that He would die and be raised up on the third day. He knew what was coming, YET He prayed anyway. I offered that a possible reason for this is that it helped Him deal with it. It was also a wonderful example of where our prayer life should always be: "not my will but Yours".

I mean, Jesus wept, laughed, got angry, etc. He had passion. However one wants to describe that Jesus, that is the Jesus that benefited from prayer.

That leads me to believe that we are much farther apart than one generally acknowledges. I would say two completely unrelated religions using the same terminology.

Nah. It's bad, but it's not THAT bad. :)

11,456 posted on 11/27/2007 10:19:09 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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