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To: D-fendr
Free will is true. You're exercising in right now.

I am exercising my will according to the faith given to me. A person with no faith cannot exercise any will towards God. All things come from God. There is nothing that we have that hasn't been given to us.

Palagius's error was not that God made man with free will. It is an error, however, to deny it.

Pelagius view was man was free to make his own choice. Doesn't this sound a tad familiar?

11,202 posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:22 PM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: HarleyD
There is nothing that we have that hasn't been given to us.

It is not the 'what' but the 'whom' where we differ mostly. You see a great many odd, to me, creatures without free will who are called 'human'. I believe this species is non-existent. You're not claiming to be one and I'm not sure if you have any examples to provide to show their existence in reality.

Pelagius view was man was free to make his own choice. Doesn't this sound a tad familiar?

Pelagius view was that the sky was blue. This however, was not his error.

11,207 posted on 11/19/2007 5:50:35 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: HarleyD; D-fendr
Pelagius error was that man’s free will to choose good guaranteed grace.In reality ,Pelagius held other views closer to protestantism
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11604a.htm

Calvin’s error was Predestinarianism http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12376b.htm

Both Calvin and Pelagius were equally heretics. They held partial truths and heretical ideas because of intellectual pride due to putting themselves above the teachings of the Church.

11,210 posted on 11/19/2007 6:37:43 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: HarleyD

Pelagianism designates a heresy of the fifth century, which denied original sin as well as Christian grace.

That is the error of Pelagius.


11,235 posted on 11/20/2007 10:29:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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