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To: kosta50; irishtenor
The Lord desires that we come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9), but we must come on our own free will (Isa 30:15-16). He offers, we accept or reject; we come to Him or we flee form Him.

No, God brings us to repentance and gives us our faith. You can't flee from God. He's everywhere.

In Acts 11:18, God has granted a chance to repent even to the Gentiles (i.e. to all humans), not just the Jews.

And in Romans 9 we find that a hardening of the heart has come upon the Jews until the Gentiles are brought in. God has granted the Gentile a chance to repent at the expense of the Jews.

in the deformed theology of the Reformation, the reprobate are already dead! So the words "you will die" in John do not apply to the reprobate because they are already dead!

Our Lord is speaking about dying physically. All people have always died in their sins with the exception of Enoch and Elijah. You must be born again.

11,184 posted on 11/18/2007 2:16:44 AM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: HarleyD; irishtenor
No, God brings us to repentance and gives us our faith. You can't flee from God. He's everywhere

The Church understanding has been from the beginning that God gives/grants everyone a chance (option) to repent.

Yes, God is everywhere and yet we can shut Him out. Is God indwelling in the reprobate as well? One can stick his head into the sand and pretend that the Sun doesn't shine. One can then live in his own darkness. That doesn't mean God isn't "out there."

Sin separates us from God (or are you going to tell the reformed would say that God is in sin as well?). Yet He is physically both inside and outside of His creation. But we would not say that God is in a rock, or in an ant, would we?

And in Romans 9 we find that a hardening of the heart has come upon the Jews until the Gentiles are brought in. God has granted the Gentile a chance to repent at the expense of the Jews

In Acts the writer states

Notice how the writer says "since you repudiate..." We are responsible ofr our actions, HD. That responsibility comes from our ability to make choices that are our own.

Our Lord is speaking about dying physically

Then He was speaking to the "saved" as well because everyone dies physically. Yet the context of that chapter tells us He was addressing the non-believers.

11,188 posted on 11/18/2007 3:08:37 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD

***All people have always died in their sins with the exception of Enoch and Elijah. You must be born again.***

You forgot about the extra special virgin Mary.
:>)


11,205 posted on 11/19/2007 4:53:30 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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