To: MarkBsnr
...that are scornfully dismissed and sometimes vilified by the Reformed when they write contrary to the doctrines of Calvin.
These people aren't "scornfully dismissed" or "vilified". Certainly nothing in what I read. We just use the scripture as a measuring stick against what they had to say. As a rule of thumb, I find church fathers who tend to quote scripture are more likely to line up with Protestant beliefs than those who conjecture.
How can they give you the Bible, when none of their other writings, including that on heresies, are accepted?
Is this the Pot calling the Kettle black? I love it when Catholics tell me they love the fathers. What they really mean is they love the fathers as long as they're writings follow their beliefs. I have yet to find a Catholic that accepts Augustine's A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.
To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
:::...that are scornfully dismissed and sometimes vilified by the Reformed when they write contrary to the doctrines of Calvin.
These people aren’t “scornfully dismissed” or “vilified”. :::
Irenaeus was scornfully dismissed. His treatise on heresies was dismissed. And therefore anything that he had to say on the subject.
10,203 posted on
10/31/2007 2:56:07 PM PDT by
MarkBsnr
(V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
To: HarleyD
“I have yet to find a Catholic that accepts Augustine’s A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.”
It is printed in its entirety at New Advent.
10,205 posted on
10/31/2007 3:05:57 PM PDT by
MarkBsnr
(V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
To: HarleyD
What they really mean is they love the fathers as long as they're writings follow their beliefs.More accurately, is they love the fathers when they can take them out of context to say things they do not actually say, just as Mark did with Origen.
To: HarleyD
I have yet to find a Catholic that accepts Augustine's A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.Or any of Augustine's writings against the semi-pelagians, which may as well been addressed to Rome since the 9th century.
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