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To: MarkBsnr
...that are scornfully dismissed and sometimes vilified by the Reformed when they write contrary to the doctrines of Calvin.

How can they give you the Bible, when none of their other writings, including that on heresies, are accepted?


10,183 posted on 10/31/2007 12:06:58 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg

:::...that are scornfully dismissed and sometimes vilified by the Reformed when they write contrary to the doctrines of Calvin.

These people aren’t “scornfully dismissed” or “vilified”. :::

Irenaeus was scornfully dismissed. His treatise on heresies was dismissed. And therefore anything that he had to say on the subject.


10,203 posted on 10/31/2007 2:56:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: HarleyD

“I have yet to find a Catholic that accepts Augustine’s A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.”

It is printed in its entirety at New Advent.


10,205 posted on 10/31/2007 3:05:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: HarleyD
What they really mean is they love the fathers as long as they're writings follow their beliefs.

More accurately, is they love the fathers when they can take them out of context to say things they do not actually say, just as Mark did with Origen.

10,212 posted on 10/31/2007 3:26:49 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: HarleyD
I have yet to find a Catholic that accepts Augustine's A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints.

Or any of Augustine's writings against the semi-pelagians, which may as well been addressed to Rome since the 9th century.

10,213 posted on 10/31/2007 3:29:06 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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