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To: MarkBsnr
What appears to an individual in private is a private revelation of God. Or it could be hallucinations. Apparitions happened frequently in Bibilical times. Why would they stop?

Beautified? Alright, he was fairly infirm towards the end of his life and wasn’t the prettiest human around due to his illnesses, wouldn’t you say that this was kind of a cheap shot?

Is that a central issues of faith? Were they a get of Purgatory free card? I don’t think so. We can discuss the doctrine of Purgatory further if you prefer.

...we are fascinated by Reformed practices and beliefs surrounding the “get out of hell” free cards that come in some sort of cosmic lottery administered by the Holy Spirit.


10,182 posted on 10/31/2007 11:52:39 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

:::Beautified? Alright, he was fairly infirm towards the end of his life and wasn’t the prettiest human around due to his illnesses, wouldn’t you say that this was kind of a cheap shot?

Well, I’m not the one to say that he wasn’t “pretty”. For someone his age I would say he looked remarkably fit. But I’m not talking about his physical characteristics and you know it so, no, it wasn’t a “cheap shot”. I’m talking about wanting to make him a saint.:::

Ah. Beatified, not beautified. I thought that you wanted to pretty him up, or his legacy up, or something.

You watch. The process will take the usual amount of time. Emotions are up and the Church has had 2000 years of dealing with emotions.

There were some extensive abuses of Church practice then. I’m glad that they were set straight. If they were wrong in their application, then they were wrong. It is postulated, after all, that the road to hell is paved with both good intentions and bishops’ skulls.

It’d be nice if you included the entire passage:

John 6:
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17 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
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But I told you that although you have seen (me), you do not believe.
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Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
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because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.
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And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day.
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For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day.”
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The Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven,”
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and they said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph? Do we not know his father and mother? Then how can he say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
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Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop murmuring 18 among yourselves.
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No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
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It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
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Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father.
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Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
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I am the bread of life.
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Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
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this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
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Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

The Father sends all men. Catholics are numbered amongst all men. Whosoever believes in Christ will have eternal life. A true Catholic believes in Christ. Whoever eats the living bread and drinks the living blood will live forever. A true Catholic eats the living bread and drinks the living blood.

Can our Protestant brethren say that they fit all of these requirements, and all those other requirements that Jesus instructed us to fulfill?


10,202 posted on 10/31/2007 2:53:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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