Paul does not say what you try to get him to say. He says the man is turned over to satan to wrack the flesh so that the man MIGHT or MAY return. There is no guarantee that he will. Other Scriptures say that some do not return, such as Hebrews 10:26-27. God allows chastizement for the purpose of discipline, again, in Hebrews. That is what Paul is refering to. Again, what is the purpose of threatening someone with "death of the body" but maintaining that they will attain eternal life? The threat has meaning only within the context of losing our inheritance to eternal life, as Paul mentions in Gal 5, 1 Cor 6, Heb 10, Heb 3-4, and so forth. I haven't even covered Peter or Jesus yet, and they say a lot more about this subject.
That individual was a saved man, who was going to suffer the 'sin unto death' (1Jn.5:20), but he would still go to heaven since Christ died for all of his sins.
Then no one will be in hell, correct?
Anyone who comes to the knowledge of the truth and then sins willfully will lose their inheritance. Peter says they will be worse off than if they had NEVER KNEW Jesus! Clearly, sins are only forgiven of those who ask for it. Unrepentant sinners do not ask forgiveness. Former believers who sin again and do not repent will not be granted any special favors. It will be as if they had never been "saved" to begin with.
When the Holy Spirit seals you, you are sealed forever.
yes, and I am sure it will be even more frustrating for a person to spend eternity in hell DESPITE receiving the seal of the Spirit.
A son remains a son no matter what that son does.
Children are disowned or disinherited all the time because of the child's intransigence. The OT gives allowable reasons to kill one such child.
And a Christian is adopted into the family of God (Rom.8:15)
And a few chapters later, Paul says that the branches can be loped off, just as the original branches of the olive tree were lopped off...
Gee, you sound like an Arminian, not a Catholic.
What's the difference, so I can tell you if that is correct?
I am not claiming any authority. My authority is the word of God.
That is not what you are "claiming". We agree that the Bible is the Word of God. What your "authority" claims is that YOU properly interpret God's Word and that the Church is incorrect. You opinion is just as good as any other Protestant's opinion. God granted that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth, not the individual cells APART from the Church. It would behoove you to remember and heed that, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God and are not merely giving lip service to the idea of being a servant to the Word of God.
Regards
What Paul is referring to is the same thing the writer of Hebrews (Hebrews 10:26-27) is referring to, the danger of falling into the hands of the living God. However, the writer of Hebrews does not say he loses his salvation since in verse 30 he says "For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
If they had lost their salvation they would not be "his people". This is similar to what happened to Job when God permitted Job to be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh to test Job, and like Job, the fellow in 1 Corinthians, faith was sure and he repented of his sin. The other scriptures you cite have nothing to do with the saved. Hebrews 3-4 deals with unbelievers; 1 Corinthians 6 deals with the unrighteous; Galatians 5 deals with those who are trusting the law (circumcision) for their salvation.
Paul does not say what you try to get him to say. He says the man is turned over to satan to wrack the flesh so that the man MIGHT or MAY return. There is no guarantee that he will. Other Scriptures say that some do not return, such as Hebrews 10:26-27. God allows chastizement for the purpose of discipline, again, in Hebrews. That is what Paul is refering to. Again, what is the purpose of threatening someone with "death of the body" but maintaining that they will attain eternal life? The threat has meaning only within the context of losing our inheritance to eternal life, as Paul mentions in Gal 5, 1 Cor 6, Heb 10, Heb 3-4, and so forth. I haven't even covered Peter or Jesus yet, and they say a lot more about this subject.
What you didn't mention was 1Jn.5:20, which is the 'sin unto death' for believers.
Now, a believer can lose many things if he continues to sin, including his health, his eternal rewards (crowns), assurance of salvation, witness, and finally his life.
What he cannot lose is his salvation since God has sealed him until the day of Redemption, he has been born into the family of God (and you can't be unborn) and for the Christian, is now part of Christ's very body (Eph.5:30) being His bride.
Those verses you raise deal with losing those things, or they are dealing with an unsaved man.
That individual was a saved man, who was going to suffer the 'sin unto death' (1Jn.5:20), but he would still go to heaven since Christ died for all of his sins. ]
Then no one will be in hell, correct?
Only those who reject the free gift of salvation.
Anyone who comes to the knowledge of the truth and then sins willfully will lose their inheritance. Peter says they will be worse off than if they had NEVER KNEW Jesus! Clearly, sins are only forgiven of those who ask for it. Unrepentant sinners do not ask forgiveness. Former believers who sin again and do not repent will not be granted any special favors. It will be as if they had never been "saved" to begin with.
If someone comes to the knowledge of truth and then rejects that truth, they cannot be saved since they have hardened themselves to the truth, much like the Pharissee's of the Lords day, who committed the 'unpardionable sin' of attributing Christ's miracles to the power of Satan and not to God.
[ When the Holy Spirit seals you, you are sealed forever. yes, and I am sure it will be even more frustrating for a person to spend eternity in hell DESPITE receiving the seal of the Spirit. ]
Now, why would the Holy Spirit seal an unsaved man, when that unsaved man is going to hell anyway being a child of the Devil (Eph.2)
The Holy Spirit seals those who are the Lords, He puts a special mark on them that can never be removed until they make it home to heaven, a mark that even they cannot remove (see Ezek.8)
[ A son remains a son no matter what that son does. ]
Children are disowned or disinherited all the time because of the child's intransigence. The OT gives allowable reasons to kill one such child.
Yes, but that child always remains your child (the prodigial son-Lk.15).
Once you receive your DNA, it never changes.
Children of wrath go to hell, not the children of God.
When you are 'born again' you receive a new DNA code and go from being in Adam's family,(dead) to being in Christ's family line (alive) (Rom.5)
[ And a Christian is adopted into the family of God (Rom.8:15) ]
And a few chapters later, Paul says that the branches can be loped off, just as the original branches of the olive tree were lopped off...
And if you would actually read the passage it is discussing the issue of Jews and Gentiles as peoples, not individual salvation.
The Gentiles were getting in on the salvation that the Jew had rejected (salvation is of the Jew) and Paul warns them of getting arrogrant and forgetting that they are receiving what the Jew had rejected.
[ Gee, you sound like an Arminian, not a Catholic. ]
What's the difference, so I can tell you if that is correct?
An Arminian believes that someone is saved by grace by faith, but since he made a choice to believe, he can still lose his salvation under extreme circumstances, like rejecting Christ.
A Roman Catholic never believes he is saved, but that he is being saved (process) and if he stops doing the 'process' he will lose his salvation.
Now, since we are talking about a saved man in 1Cor.5, you are saying that someone could get unsaved after being saved, not stop the process of being saved.
That is why the modern versions have changed 1Cor.1:18 from 'perish' to 'perishing' and 'saved' to 'being saved'
[ I am not claiming any authority. My authority is the word of God. ]
That is not what you are "claiming". We agree that the Bible is the Word of God. What your "authority" claims is that YOU properly interpret God's Word and that the Church is incorrect. You opinion is just as good as any other Protestant's opinion. God granted that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth, not the individual cells APART from the Church. It would behoove you to remember and heed that, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God and are not merely giving lip service to the idea of being a servant to the Word of God.
My authority is the word of God and my understanding of scripture comes from having what God has provided to understand it (1) a perfect English translation-the King James.
(2) the Holy Spirit.
(3) Teachers and Preachers.
(4) a correct methodology of comparing scripture with scriptures and rightly dividing the word of truth.
The word of God is the final authority, not any church or group of churches.
That is why you asked to see scripture for my views, you didn't ask what my church taught on them.
Regards
Likewise.
One final point, you say that a person must be faced with the loss of eternal salvation as the ultimate source of fear.
Yet, in the Roman Catholic act of Contritation it says,
O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell; but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, Who are all good and deserving of all my love.
You will note it isn't the loss of heaven or the pains of hell, but the love for God that moves one to repentence.
And that is the purpose of God's discipline (Heb.13)