Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Are you sure it's the same chapter and verse?
FK, care to comment on this? I am getitng the impression that there are "gradations" among the Reformed and that not all Reformed are equally Reformed so to say. Your stance has always been absolte and unquestionable assurance. How do you comment on the Reformed statement above, challenging your claim?
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Only if it's "living water".
I can't agree more with you as to the serious nature of the LORD'S SUPPER and what it represents.
The Corinthians were rebuked by Paul not because they didn't act properly around transformed bread and wine. They were rebuked for their overindulgence and impatience with the poorer members of the church. The poorer members were coming later because they had to work till sun down on the first day of the week and were only being left small portions.
ICOR. 11:17-21 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you,......For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk.
We had a church carry-in once, and one of the members brought a really awesome strawberry layer cake.
As the service ended, they ran to the table, took off their cake, put it on their own table, and doled out pieces to their friends.....the select.
I didn’t say anything at the time, but that is essentially what Paul was condemning at Corinth.
“I can’t agree more with you as to the serious nature of the LORD’S SUPPER and what it represents”
When the ordinance becomes routine and “common” it is time to remind people of the signicance. the Lord’s Supper is an actualization of the Last Supper, just as the Passover meal is an actualization of the Exodus meal. Actualization means to put oneself back to the time of the original.
In my church the refreshing at times, if you will, of the ordinance has taken the form of the reminder of the sacrifice; the reminder of the dangerous nature of the ordinance; the standing around the table as the Exodus Jews did at Passover and changing the symbols so people had to think about what they were doing. these changes aren’t for change sake or to sensationalize it; but to cause people to look again at what tand how they are celebrating this meal.
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:4-6
Ah, yes, thank you for more beautiful Scriptures that speak of predestination to the elect, membership into the Church. Entering into the Church, the Body of Christ, brings redemption and begins regeneration.
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Boy, I would never have believed it if you didn't write it. If that's not an example of wheat and tares I don't know what is. I hope over time they came to realize their error and had a change of heart.
So why then can't you do anything righteous, Harley? Aren't you denying the ability of the Spirit to make a new creation?
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Of course not. Read the context of my post.
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About a year or so later, they became unreasonably embittered at another member over a small, small difference and left the church.
I saw them recently and the bitterness was just as fresh in them as if the thing that had angered them had happened that very day.
God took them out.
Anytime you want to swim back across the Tiber and get free of the RCC I know a bunch of Reformers who will keep the Jesuits at bay. ;-)
That is so sad.
What a great reminder of how little things change.
The promises of God, as stated in Romans 9-11, are made to the nation of Israel as a whole. This is not to say that each and every JEW will be saved, but that God, for His own reasons, had chosen the Jewish people as His people in the Old Covenant - and for NOTHING that they did. And while Paul laments that the Jewish people as a whole had not accepted the New Covenant, Paul notes at the end of Romans 11 that God can certainly graft the NATION back onto the tree. None of this has anything to do with the individual, as we know that every single Jews will not be saved (check the Psalms...).
The individual Jews that is faithless and rejects God will be reprobate, just as the faithless Catholic who rejects God will be reprobated. Both were at one time members of God's People, the Church, and both individually can lose their inheritance in heaven. But this does not effect the promise made to the Church itself. Those who remain within Holy Mother Church will be saved for eternal glory.
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I observe communion nearly every single day. I have a very early, daily communion devotional service.
Jesus said, "As oft as you do it, do it in remembrance of Me." I want to remember Him a lot, so I commune a lot. It's amazing how daily communing keeps me in tune with how I screw up even when I ain't trying.
That said, I think that we participate in the sacrifice on the altar. The sacrifice that the Lord placed on the altar was Christ. I'm not a transubstantiationist, nor really even a consubstantiationist.
I just think the Lord is present. I think that bread and cup is a real participation in that real sacrifice.
That's why I think of it sacramentally rather than ordinally.
***Those who remain within Holy Mother Church will be saved for eternal glory.***
I disagree with your whole supposition. I will never attend your church, I will never subscribe to the Catholic beliefs.
I will believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. I will trust in God the Father who sent him. I will abide in the Holy Spirit who dwells within me. I will be in heaven, and nothing you can say will change that.
If you trust in Jesus as your savior, I’ll see you there, too.
I don't believe I said "those who remain in the "Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church", did I? This is typical. If people would more carefully read posts, we would probably not being disagreeing so much with each other.
I will believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. I will trust in God the Father who sent him. I will abide in the Holy Spirit who dwells within me. I will be in heaven, and nothing you can say will change that.
Wonderful. All Catholic beliefs. There is hope for you as long as you continue believing such Catholic teachings.
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Although I was named first in your reply, you were replying to Harley D I suppose...since what you said agreed with what I said.
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