Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
LoL.. ;).. I see.. Snappy dress code.. Ever get a load of the grand Poo Bah of masonic fame in full regalia?.. Hilarious..
Do you not use scripture (Matt.16:18-19) to imply infallibility of the church? Yet, the validity of Matthew as scripture (you say) was made by the infallible church. How can Matthew be used to validate the infallibility of the church when the church has determined the validity of Matthew?
LOL. Perceived heresy is a "greater negligence" than "unjust persecution?"
Spoken like a true Inquisitor.
"Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil." -- Ecclesiastes 5:1
I, for one, appreciate your candor so we can all better understand exactly what makes up the RCC and what its true intentions are.
Post tenebras lux, thank God.
The intention of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is to get the message of Jesus Christ unaltered out to the world and to bring the Good News of Salvation to every man.
I, for one, think that the state of one’s soul and its place in the hereafter is more important than hurting feelings and making people upset.
But Suzy, do you not follow?
The Church produced Scripture, not vice versa. That sets us apart from all the man made artificial power driven sects, denominations, cults and various groups that thought that they knew better than the institution that Jesus Christ created.
Your particular gang uses Scripture to whatever extent it does, with whatever interpretation that it does to create its own smug little theology.
What sets it apart from any of the rest of them? Other than the particular theology as it stands at the moment?
If the CC isn't right then anyone could decide tomorrow to add a book or two and if they were charismatic and won the confidence of a lot of people, they could convince people that it really belonged and the CC left it out for some reason. (It has been done you know)
You want to make a boogyman of the Catholic Church but you will live and die by the Bible that it codified. It doesn't matter if you reject a few of the books they included, your Bible still contains the majority of the books codified by the Catholic Church and therefore is true, relying on the infallibility of the CC or could be false if you take away that same infallibility.
Do you not see the circular reasoning of your statement that the church produced scripture and then turns around and says that scripture produces the infallible church?
Isn't that like saying I am the Queen because I produced the documents that prove that I am the Queen?
ps. I am not a gangster.
I am not looking boogymen.
Oh, how I wish that I would live and die by the bible.
The Catholic Church has produced the documents that it has. In them, is the origin and justification that it is who it says it is.
If you do not belong to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, then which organization do you belong to?
Great to see you back. :-)
It's not circular reasoning. They're both produced by God. Christ founded the Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit inspired the bible, which was collected and published by His Church to spread the Good Word and bring further Glory to God.
It doesn’t matter what organization I belong to, since it is not the Queen’s.
I’m still trying to catch up, but what’s the deal with the poster who is chasing around after you?
How do you know that?
Matthew 16:18
You are now saying that scripture validates the church.
Scripture records the event in which Christ founded the Catholic Church.
Ecumenism is dead, dead as can be.
They killed Calvinists and Lutherans,
but they won't kill me!
John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him..."
John 10:26-29 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to Me,..."
Acts 13:48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
Rom. 9:15-16 For he says to Moses,I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion. So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Phlp 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Clearly GOD changes us before we even realize what's happening. The joy is when we begin to realize how truly blessed we are because we were so undeserving.
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