Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)

Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

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[.. To me, it is like being anchored to the flesh. When we experience physical death, we'll weigh anchor. ..]

I like that being a boat'er.. Weigh anchor to move to new spot..

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[.. In my ignorance, I appear to have surpassed many of the faithful posters here. ..]

Maybe, maybe not.. Nobody knows everything..

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[.. Angel dust(pcp). ..]

I see..

[Petronski]

Thanks for all your contributions on this thread. I really had no idea how Calvinism was so deeply riddled with errors. It’s shocking, frankly.

And sad.

[hosepipe]

[.. Well, actually yes. We want the submission of the heretics and the unbelievers to the Lord God Almighty. And we wish that you come willingly. No robot slaves. No coercion. Submit to the Lord God Almighty and the world will be a better place...]

LoL... WHoa... LoL..

[kosta50]

Boy you sound like a Mormon...1 Nephi 13:28...1 Nephi 13:29

We can draw paralleles with unrelated things. It's a straw man. To claim what the Bible we read is pristine is a lie because we have evidence to prove it. You are more than welcome to pull your head out of the sand and look for it. I have mentioned dozens of facts about the Bible that show that human hands left singificant fingerprints on the scriptures, all of which amount to corruption.

[MarkBsnr]

I claim no indwelling knowlege, nor do I surpass the learned. Yet there are truths that can be measured against the Church’s knowledge of Scripture and Her teachings. If I err or am false, it should be easy to determine that. But if the Holy Spirit should buoy me, then perhaps I might make sense even to the heretic, even to the apostate, even to the fallen.

[Petronski]

But if the Holy Spirit should buoy me, then perhaps I might make sense even to the heretic, even to the apostate, even to the fallen.

Given what you've faced on this thread, it would sure come in handy!

[MarkBsnr]

It is evil.

To ply a doctrine that states that man has no worth and no effect is to rob him of hope and to stop any good works that he may do.

Calvin, even more than Luther, has brought evil upon the world. I trust that the merciful God has an appropriate eternity set up for Calvin.

[MarkBsnr]

Well, no.

Either you submit to the Lord God Almighty or else you don’t. There is no middle way. And when you look Him in the eye on Judgement Day, what are you going to say? Are you going to call Jean Calvin in as your lawyer?

Or are you going to own up to each and every thing that you ever did and pray to God in His mercy that He will spare you from the fires of hell for your transgressions?

If you are predestined, then you are truly hosed. Based upon your postings here, I don’t think that Las Vegas would give even odds as to your final fate. I’d estimate that at 3:1 or lower. But that’s just me. It isn’t up to me. It’s up to Him.

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Well said..

[P-Marlowe]

It isn’t up to me. It’s up to Him.

Wow, that's the first statement of God's sovereignty I've seen by a Catholic in a long time.

[hosepipe]

[.. Or are you going to own up to each and every thing that you ever did and pray to God in His mercy that He will spare you from the fires of hell for your transgressions? ..]

I will be covered by the blood of christ..
For thats why he suffered for my sake.. and yours..

My only righteousness is because of the blood of christ now and then..
I'am grateful now and will be then..

Many limit the value of the blood of christ..
And, to them, it will be limited at that time, as they lived..
No one deserves it, can purchase it, or even can earn it..
Its FREE NOW but worth more than human life..

The blood of the final lamb splashed on the doorposts of your heart is vital..
The reality of a very important metaphorical object lesson of the past..
Its real and is the pearl of great price.. sell all you have and gain it.. (if need be)

[P-Marlowe]

I have mentioned dozens of facts about the Bible that show that human hands left singificant fingerprints on the scriptures, all of which amount to corruption.

Then stop arguing from scripture. Don't quote any scripture to support your theology.

Now tell me, without resorting to scripture, why your church's beliefs have any validity whatsoever.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The selection of large numbers of individuals is not supported Biblically,

LOL. Once again we see the RCC teaches a very impersonal salvation.

ROMANS 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

ROMANS 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION of grace.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the ELECTION, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

1 THESSALONIANS 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your ELECTION of God.

2 PETER 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and ELECTION sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall

[P-Marlowe]

I don’t believe it was a coincidence that the Book of Romans was written to the Church in Rome. Too bad they never bothered to read it.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

They don't want scriptures. They want ..... SUBMISSION.

Evidently. Recall post 2,872 where Mark sang the praises of "persecution."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

lol.

[P-Marlowe]

I was series.

[xzins]

Since I’m a Calvinist in the tradition of someone or other, I will defend the old boy.

Calvin fit right into his era, and except for his brilliance and work ethic, his ideas of government, justice, crime and punishment, etc. were no different than those in the nations round about him.

There is no one who can say that God is surprised by anything IF they believe that God is all-knowing. Therefore, there is no one who can get away from the seeming “injustice” of one guy being saved and another guy being lost; one guy having tragedy and another having great wealth.

Did God not know these things? Therefore, there is little reason to pretend some kind of superiority toward those who say God planned everything, because whether directly or INDIRECTLY, He did.

This simply raises the question: Do we trust Him and His love and goodness? If we do, then we gladly put everything in His hands and know that all things will work together for good.