Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
This is an absolute gem:
The bottom line is that they all rely on the geometry for physical causation and ...
In the absence of space, things cannot exist.In the absence of time, events cannot occur.
I used this quote with my Sunday School class this morning. It hit me between the eyes at about 5 AM, and it STUCK. (And I said it came from someone so much more able to explain this than I ever would be.)
My wife teaches Calculus. My Mom devours books. My favorite online females are the deepest of thinkers on subjects of physics, metaphysics, biology, genetics, etc.
I summed it up by saying: "Every single female I know is light years smarter than me."
All the ladies in the class "wisely" nodded their heads in agreement.
:>)
Sola Scriptura ain’t looking so good right now.
:)
Of course God does not betray us. :) But everything that has happened has done so according to His design:
Rom 8:28 : And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
That includes letting the serpent into the garden, that includes earthquakes, that includes allowing a young good Christian to get cancer and die early, etc. We may not understand it, but God's plan is WAY over our ability to comprehend.
People hide from God, FK. They try to shut Him out, to separate from Him, to forget Him (except when they curse Him), so that they may be "free" to do whatever they want to do.
That's exactly right.
But His knowing what we do and are about to do, and think, is not the same as twisting your arm to do it. He has included our decisions into His plan.
Then it's not God's plan, it is the plan devised by men and God. So when God says "I know the plans I have for you", He doesn't really mean it, He really means "I know the plans we will make together as partners".
If everything we do is according to His will, then why are we being judged?
Because we don't know the plan in advance, therefore we are accountable. For us everything is new, and we experience making our own decisions. God is in control and man is accountable. But if man is in control, then I wish you the best of luck. :)
Ps 33:10-11 : 10 The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. 11 But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations.
Don't feel bad it's probably a result of my clumsy attempt to understand what you were saying.
I first stated: Even in vs. 3 that "light" isn't the sun. The sun wasn't formed until vs.14.
And you replied: I disagree.
It was verse 16 that the "two great lights" are made that we believe are the sun and the moon. I first postulated that the light in v. 3 was the big bang.
I still don't see where there was an age on earth between v. 1&2
The Church fathers and Saints rejected this type heretical teachings.
The Church Fathers who decided Bible canon did not ever interpret scripture of satan and Eve producing cain
Are we to believe that somehow they were not guided by the Holy Spirit and God revealed this serpent seed nonsense to People like Arnold Murray and William Branham?
Neither live or lived lives close to the Saints and early Church Fathers! Murray is a false teacher a deceiver!
The truth is that you can not back up any of these wild claims from historical writings of Christians who read the same scriptures as you and Arnold Murray and NEVER concluded that satan had sex with Eve,
You are giving the devil power that God did NOT give him.
BTW
Jesus called Saint Peter satan once. Are you going to call Saint Peter offspring of the devil too?
Rebuke this belief of yours! It comes from the devil!
I will keep you in prayer!
I wish you a peaceful evening!
Allow me to give you a few more scriptures that may or may not change your mind - either way I hope you find them interesting.
Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, "He That soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38.The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
"Seed", as used in those verses is Strong's 4690 - Sperma, the male sperm, by impl. offspring Christ tells us that He isn't talking about spiritual children and that the devil sowed them.
Understanding this issue is very important. Of the seven churches in Revelation what did the only two churches Christ approve of do for that approval?
Rev.1:18 I Am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
2:9. (Smyrna) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan.
11.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.'
3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; 'These things saith He That is Holy, He That is True, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth, and no man openeth;
9.Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
To know who the tares (Kenites - sons of Cain) are is to hold the Key of David in your hand and once you know, understand. That cannot be taken from you. Jesus warns us in those verses that He holds the keys to hell and death so listen to what He is saying. Both of those churches teach who the Kenites (sons of Cain) are and Jesus approved of only those two churches. How many churches today teach that?
Thanks Ping. I knew the Kenites would show up soon.
But I’m just a spectator in this sola scriptura smackdown.
:)
You guys carry on...
There is another thread currently in progress that is discussing this very issue: The possible gap between [Genesis 1:1 and 1:2].
The Hebrew allows the usage of "became" instead of "was" in verse 2.
Paul: [2 Corinthians 11:2-3] For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (Diego1618)
"Beguiled"....Strong's #1818. exapatao (ex-ap-at-ah'-o) "to seduce wholly"
From Jesus Christ Himself: (see post 2226)
Neither live or lived lives close to the Saints and early Church Fathers!
Paul taught it as well as Christ Himself. I don't know why the church fathers didn't.
Peter also taught about the 3 ages (I don't know if he taught about Cain)
2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6.Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7.But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Peter is telling us that there was a heaven and earth of old and that world "that then was" perished. Our world did not perish in Noah's flood.
So....God has written what happened. It has always been there. I don't know why it hasn't been taught.
You are giving the devil power that God did NOT give him.
It seems to me that to know God's truth is to take power from him.
2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness
17.We therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being, led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18.But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and forever. Amen.
Thank you for keeping me in your prayers......Ping
D-fendr you are a breath of cool air on a hot and humid day.
Thank you........Ping
"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD."Knowing of course, that you will rise from the canvas with a proof-texting right jab. So I won't.
Thank you. You are always a courteous and gentle poster.
Now I'm really glad I pulled my last punch.
{^_^}
I'm a woman and women always have to have the last word, at least that is what my husband tells me, so you know I have a right jab. But.....since you didn't really say it I really won't deliver the jab. (It's a good question though)
.......Ping
KJV [Genesis 4:1-2] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Douay [Genesis 4:1-2] And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, saying: I have gotten a man through God. And again she brought forth his brother Abel. And Abel was a shepherd, and Cain a husbandman.
Eve was possibly carrying twins at this point as the Hebrew is somewhat specific here: "And she again" Strong's #3254. yacaph (yaw-saf')a primitive root; to add or augment (often adverbial, to continue to do a thing) conceive again. These twins had different fathers.....paternal twins, a somewhat common occurrence among prostitutes.
Whew, now I’m doubly-glad I didn’t really say it.
Diego has your back though and he has no such compunctions.
So, I’m back to the Peanut Gallery with my popcorn..
Even if all this were true, how could she be impregnated by a fallen angel?
Matt. 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven."
The angels can't procreate.
I think maybe Lucifer (Satan) may have been different.
Nevertheless.....where do we find Cain in Adam's genealogy?
[Genesis 5:1-5] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Nowhere!
Cain has his own genealogy: [Genesis 4:17-26] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Abel's death is mentioned again after Cain's genealogy and that is why Abel is not listed in Adam's genealogy. He was dead.
Who do you believe God has given more power?
1. The Blessed Mother
2. satan
The doctrines you are espousing on this thread and others are the same doctrines that are espoused by Christian Identity groups and cults like Watchman and Murray. They all use the Companion Bible in the same way Dispensationalists tend to use the Scofield Bible.
The doctine of Satan's seed leads to belief in racial superiority of the white race and the inferiority of other races. The doctrine of pre-existent spirits and the rewarding of the elect also leads to the idea that the White Race (particularly the Anglo Saxon race) are the elect of God.
I am not accusing you of being a racist, but the doctrines you espouse are touted by racist groups and the Bible you use is also touted by racist groups as the only true bible.
That should give you pause to think about the ramifications of these strange doctrines.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. (Hebrews 13:9 KJV)
Just look where these doctrines lead. Then, if you want to be a non-denominational Christian, get yourself attached to a more traditional non-Denominational Church. One that doesn't go off on these insane twisted doctrines that lead to no good.
You rang?
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