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To: adiaireton8
The fathers testify that baptism is what Jesus means in saying we must be "born again" (John 3:3) and being of water and the Spirit in John 3:5

But you mean baptism in water... If you watch the scripture, you can see it is not talking about water baptism...

Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Nicodemus understood how babies were born...The 'water' breaks and the baby comes into the world...And Jesus responded to this understanding...Nicodemus equates 'born of water' to the birth process...

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water

AND

of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Then Jesus confirms this by saying indicating that born of the 'water' is the flesh (not water baptism).and born of the Spirit is Spirit...

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh (water) is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Just as the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus as His baptism, so likewise, as we imitate Christ in baptism, the Holy Spirit comes down on each of us when we are baptized.

Completely inaccurate...There is no indication in the bible anywhere whereby a person can be filled with the Holy Spirit without repentance...Without first turning to Jesus...

And yes, John the Baptist did baptize with water for the remission of sins...Be he told us that it was temporary...

Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

That's why you waste your time baptizing babies...That's why there is no such thing as a 'cradle' Christian...

If one does not repent and turn to Jesus, one is not a partaker of the Kingdom of God...

74 posted on 07/20/2007 5:39:48 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool
Whose interpretation is authoritative?

-A8

77 posted on 07/20/2007 6:55:39 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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