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To: marshmallow; Publius6961; NYer
It's not like the Church sprang up 10 years ago or half a century ago or in 1521.

Exactly!

There are sooo many people I would love to have this article shown to. Excellent post 'Nyer'. Written at an easy enough level for most malformed Catholics to understand.

I remember all the complaints under Pope John Paul II's papacy concerning why he never "fired" such and such bishops, etc - as if he were the CEO of Catholic Church Inc. (many of them right here on FR). I get quite nervous when I hear people start freely bad mouthing bishops particularly coming from second, third, fourth hand info. Our job as laity is prayer (unless we don't trust in the power of God).

It is easy to understand how heresies and schisms can begin and grow with that mentality.

"Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch - again, an excellent quote 'NYer'. If I had a dime for everytime I've met people so much smarter and able than the Pope or any number of bishops, why, I should've elected them on the spot ( and then retired)!

24 posted on 07/20/2007 1:59:34 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus

Schism is definitely the primary concern in why the Bishops aren’t removed from their position. The last thing that the Vatican wants is a bunch of renegade bishops running around illicitly, but validly ordaining new bishops who have sworn no oath of obedience to the pope. However, it might be quite appropriate to remove the red hat from some of the cardinals who are out of line.


26 posted on 07/20/2007 2:09:00 PM PDT by old republic
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To: TotusTuus; NYer

I’ve noticed that tag-line many times and believe it’s actually a commonly repeate oversimplification of the longer and more accurate quote, which is as follows (you can see the meaning is slightly different):

“Wherever the bishop appears let the congregation be present;
just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”


28 posted on 07/20/2007 3:48:48 PM PDT by baa39 (Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us.)
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