Posted on 07/18/2007 8:47:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
It is amazing how inaccurate pretty much every story on this document has been.
There are numerous inaccuracies in the above article.
St. Peter is leading the next batch of newcomers on the nickel tour of heaven.
He shows them great an wonderous things; mansions; rolling golf courses; manna; etc...everything they could possible imagine that heaven would be.
They turn a corner and come upon what looks like a prison, with walls 100 feet high stringed with barbed wrie,and stretching as as far as the eye can see.
A leather-lunged guy from Philly shouts: “Hey..St. Pete, what’s behind dere “?
St. Pete: Shhhh! Keep your voice down !
(pointing to the prison)Roman Catholics...they think they are the only ones up here.
Quote from the article:
“In his first statements a few months back, he lost all the Muslims, he said Saturday, referring to the Popes speech in Germany last year when he associated Islam with violence.”
He lost the Muslims? When did Pope Benedict ever have them? And I guess Benedict is supposed to cower in fear of Muslims as the Copts do having lost their homeland to them?
“And now this time, he lost a lot of the Christian denominations because he has begun to err against Christians themselves.”
To tell th etruth is to err against Christians?
I have always like Pope Shenouda III, but have always realized he is insignificant. His whining here simply re-affirms that belief.
Well Pope Benedict XVI was simply telling the truth. What was Pope Shenouda III thinking about? B16 is not going to water Church doctrine down. Truth hurts, but it is the truth.
At least he is not a fearful dhimmi like Pope Shenouda III.
LOL. What a fool. It's much better to kiss mulsim ass while they persecute and murder your flock...is that what you're saying? Because that's the situation you have Shenouda...as for me I'd rather loose the muslims!
I wonder how Bennie gets around the fact that nowhere does the New Testament ever teach a “universal church” sort of ecclesiology?
Ah, that's the only ecclesiology the New Testament teaches. One faith, one Body, one Lord, one baptism.
The church is the Bride of Christ, and Jesus is not a polygamist.
He did, and they are.
Then why were there multiple churches in regions like Crete, Galatia, and Macedonia?
Not just for the pope, but also the people who spout the same nonsense.
In that case, “churches” are interchangeable with individual Christian congregations.
Exactly. That's the only thing the word ekklesia can mean. It refers to a called-out assembly - what we would in Christian terms think of as a "local church". Christ has one bride, who will be gathered together unto Him in the general assembly and church of the firstborn in heaven (Hebr. 12:23), but which organisationally is found in type in each local church body which truly stands on the Scriptures and the doctrine of Christ, the world over. There is no hint in Scripture that there is any unified, invisible "catholic" (small-c) church which comprises all Christians the world over. Each local church is to be united in the same Lord, the same Spirit, the same baptism, etc. Each local church is a synecdechal example of what all Christians eventually will be in heaven.
It’s not pride.
It’s truth. Why should Benedict16 hide the truth.
What he’s saying is not politically correct and he’s taking fire for that point.
Sometimes, truth hurts.
As I said a while back, the Non-Chalcaedonian churches are the most liberal and purely ethnic churches in the world.
There’s a key element missing. These congregations, as a whole, have one set of beliefs, not the hundreds that are around today.
That's why I said, "but which organisationally is found in type in each local church body which truly stands on the Scriptures and the doctrine of Christ." If a body rejects the foundational truths which the Bible teaches about Christ, then it has no place to claim to be a church with Christ as its head.
My issue with Catholicism is not the general claim that if one dissents from true doctrine, then a church is not a true church. My issue is more particularly that Catholicism thinks of ITSELF as teaching the true doctrine, when an examination of the Bible says otherwise.
As for the hundreds (or thousands) of variant beliefs, well, do these beiefs relate to foundational matters of soteriology and holiness, or to lesser points of the law? In other words, some variance is not damnable heresy, while some is.
That's a little simplistic. The Orthodox Churches differ in teaching from the Catholic Church, but the Church still teaches they are valid churches. It's a matter having an apostolic succession and valid sacraments.
My issue is more particularly that Catholicism thinks of ITSELF as teaching the true doctrine, when an examination of the Bible says otherwise.
Missing a word there. "...when [a "Reformist"] examination of the Bible [teaches] otherwise." That's better.
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