Pope's comments irrelevant to non-Catholics (CNN Opine)

CNN ^ | By Roland S. Martin

[franky1]

(CNN) -- Non-Catholics who are up in arms of the proclamation by Pope Benedict XVI that the only true church in the world is that of Catholicism shouldn't even bother getting upset. Just chalk it up to an old man trying to get a little attention.

For him to even suggest that only the Catholic Church can provide true salvation to believers in Christ shows that he is wholly ignorant of the Scriptures that I have known all my life.

Sorry, let me take that back. I've really only known the Bible for the last 13 of my 38 years. That's because those first 25 years were spent as a die-hard Catholic.

[TaxachusettsMan]

Saying that a statement is slander is okay - saying that a Freeper is a slanderer is not okay.

So, Religion Moderator, let me get this straight:

A person who is making slanderous statements is not a slanderer.

Ergo, the person moderating the board on religion is not a religion moderator.

Oh, I think I get it now!

Thanks for clearing that one up!

[Petronski]

The readers of this post can click on your posting history and learn about your attitudes towards Christians who do not agree to worship as you insist.

[Petronski]

Truth is an absolute defense....which fails absolutely in this case.

[Petronski]

It seems to be your position that non-personal libel is permissible on this forum.

In that spirit, I want to tell you about how John Calvin raped preschool girls.

[servantboy777]

Man, I’ve heard it all.

I know a Calvinist who believes that his way is the correct way.

I know Catholics who believe they are the only ones that can track apostolic succession so they are the true church.

I work with a guy that attends the Church of Christ and if your not a part of the CoC, your going to hell.

On and on and on. Jesus is probably just shakin his head at us all and how we have so perverted and wounded the body of Christ.

The area in which I live, several Church's in the area pray for one another. Anglicans, nondenominational Church's, baptist and so forth.

I find it really neat that the “Christ honoring” Church's support each other in prayer and ministry.

I have also heard that because the catholic church can track apostolic succession they are the true church.

I have been apart of the Anglican church for quite sometime and we too claim to be able to track apostolic succession dating back to Jesus.

My point.......how bout the body of Christ stop falling for the traps of the father of lies, satan himself and get on with the business of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The essentials-unity, nonessentials-liberty, in all things-love and charity.

[Petronski]

Of course the allegations in sentence two of the previous post are false. But, being a “non-personal libel,” it should be permitted nonetheless.

[D-fendr]

Just in case this is the Confessional Thread.. sometimes I sin against these: Religion Forum Guidelines .

[wmfights]

See Revealing Statistics at peacebyjesus.com

Thank you for your clear Biblically based posts. I will look at this web site.

[Religion Moderator]

I do not have much tolerance for mouthy comments – and I will not be ignored. So listen up:

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

The guideline exists to avoid flame wars in religious debate on this Religion Forum, i.e. the first spark is usually some poster “making it personal.”

Attributing motives and otherwise reading another poster’s mind are “making it personal.”

[TaxachusettsMan]

I do not have much tolerance for mouthy comments – and I will not be ignored.

WOW! And some people think the POPE has an attitude!

[RobbyS]

In defending Protestantism, you have substituted one set of dogmas for another. If you read the Reformers you see that they begin by positing certain truths which are the basis of your “faith.” The basis of their claims is that they . not the Catholic Church correctly interpret the teachings of Paul. So you further substitute one authority for another. Finally, you follow the leadership of certain professors of Scripture instead of bishops. I think I have covered all the elements of a Church, and these are the bases of the faith you profess, not some insubtantiable effect of the Holy Spirit.

[Petronski]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal.

A statement like "Levada 'advocates sexual molestation'" is false and mouthy and personal and libelous and also, btw, FALSE.

[P-Marlowe]

The readers of this post can click on your posting history and learn about your attitudes towards Christians who do not agree to worship as you insist.

Did you find a mirror there?

[Petronski]

No. Your statement is absurd.

[P-Marlowe]

A statement like "Levada 'advocates sexual molestation'" is false and mouthy and personal and libelous and also, btw, FALSE.

Levada's Oregon history surfaces [Grammond] -- sanctuary, then the bankruptcy delaying action
   San Francisco Chronicle, www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/07/10/BAG9F7JBS61.DTL , by Don Lattin, Chronicle Religion Writer, Saturday, July 10, 2004
   SAN FRANCISCO (CA): Two lawyers representing Oregon molestation victims have raised questions about the role San Francisco Archbishop William Levada played in a priestly sex abuse scandal that led to this week's unprecedented bankruptcy of the Archdiocese of Portland.
   Levada, who served as the archbishop of Portland from 1986 to 1995, oversaw church disciplinary proceedings against two Oregon priests accused of child molestation, including one who was put back in regular parish ministry in 1994, following a brief period of "rehabilitation," the attorneys say.
   On Tuesday, the Portland Archdiocese -- which has spent more than $53 million to settle more than 130 claims of priest abuse -- became the first Catholic diocese in the nation to file for bankruptcy.
   That bankruptcy filing also suspended a potentially embarrassing and costly trial against the archdiocese and the late Rev. Maurice Grammond, who has been accused of molesting dozens of boys in the Portland area. It had been scheduled to begin Tuesday.
   Jeffrey Anderson, one of the lawyers suing the Portland archdiocese, said Levada "is one of a long line of bishops that has given sanctuary to Grammond -- a known predator."
   "Levada inherited a secret and kept it the nine years he was there," Anderson said in an interview. [Posted by Kathy Shaw at 07:31 AM]
////////// End of Clergy Sex Abuse Tracker

[P-Marlowe]

I detect a hint of bitterness in your post.

[Petronski]

Wow!

You posted a document dump that does not relate at all to the false claim of “advocacy.”

Congratumalationiones!

[Petronski]

I detect an overwhelming cloud of absurdity in your previous post.

[Petronski]

Another absurd thread claiming lies. Hmmmph.

[P-Marlowe]

You posted a document dump that does not relate at all to the false claim of “advocacy.”

If you, by the exercise of your position, enable a known predator to remain in a position of power over vulnerable people, you are advocating that predatory behavior. The fact is that Levada did act as an advocate for Rev. Maurice Grammond. He swept the dirty secret under the rug and enabled Grammond to continue unabated in his twisted perversion.

ad·vo·cate(dv-kt)

tr.v. ad·vo·cat·ed, ad·vo·cat·ing, ad·vo·cates

To speak, plead, or argue in favor of. See Synonyms at support.

n. (-kt, -kt)

1. One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender: an advocate of civil rights.

2. One that pleads in another's behalf; an intercessor: advocates for abused children and spouses.

3. A lawyer.

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It would appear that Levata meets the definition of an advocate for a known predator.

As I said, ENABLER is probably a better word, but advocate is also apropos.