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To: Enosh

I wish you wouldn’t be so insultingly simple in your attempts....

First, the challenge was to find a verse where it clearly said that Jesus is God in the same direct simple, clear terms as it says the he is a man.

But you opened another can of worms...how were Jesus and God one? By being identical? Absurd!

Jesus prayed to God (showing that they aren’t the same) that Jesus’ disciples would be one (does that make them gods, too?) even as they, Jesus and God, were one.

The key there is “as” which is a measure of comparison.

Obviously the disciples couldn’t be God to that is out of the question.

Jesus and God were united in purpose and will. Jesus had a separate will than God (not my will but thine be done) but was perfectly subjected and unified.

And that was Jesus’ prayer that his disciples would be perfectly subject and unified with God and each other just as Jesus was subject and unified with God.

Next?

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
Jhn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


142 posted on 07/15/2007 6:35:45 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Size matters. Unless you got more than me.)
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To: Eagle Eye
"And that was Jesus’ prayer that his disciples would be perfectly subject and unified with God and each other just as Jesus was subject and unified with God." (Jhn 17:22)

The only problem with this typical Mormon interpretation is that Scripture doesn't say that. It says; "... that they may be one as we are one:"

Two groups. Sorry, you don't get to be God.

144 posted on 07/15/2007 6:52:42 PM PDT by Enosh (†)
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