Posted on 07/13/2007 7:28:01 PM PDT by restornu
...you do weave your mighty fine fairy tale!
There is a book of life, and then their is the book in which are recorded your works/deeds in life. In Rev 20 we see that the life book is opened and ‘the books’ of the works of those standing for judgment. Because those trusting in Christ are Saved by faith, not by their works. Please follow the essentials. Would you rather be judged according to what works are in your book, or redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb slain from the foudation of the world? Do believe they are equate-able, your works and His redeeming Blood?
I’m beyond conversion.
Even though I was brought up in a trinitarian environment, even as a child I never bought into it.
God created the heavens and Earth. God is spirit, invisible, and eternal.
Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God and came in the flesh.
Ain’t but one God in my book and that God is clearly one, not three.
I do believe in Christ. I do believe in following His commandments. I do believe him when He says “If ye have done it unto the least of one of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” And “Faith without works is dead.” How do I show my obedience and my beliefs? Again, by following His commandments. Praying to Him, reading His words, and treating others as I want to be treated.
Yeah, and that is why it is called the Melchizedek priesthood- after Melchizedek, the king of Salem. Duh!
Rev 22
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Matt. 16:
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Hi D-fendr its been a long time..
it is nice to hear from you!:)
Again, thanks for being so open and fair-minded and going to the source. :)
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ...
[Isa 25:8
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
“”I can’t seem to find any verse in the Bible at all saying that Ham was black”
You can’t see the nose on your own face without a mirror. “
There is no verse saying Ham was black, there is no verse you can post to say ‘See, I was right’ so you choose to throw insults around, too scared to admit that what you claimed can not be established from the Bible. How immature.
“”Ham,” “chamam”, means “black,” or “to be black.” “
From Strongs, the word translated as Ham from Gen 5:32 is Cham (khawm) and the definition given is :”the same as ‘cham’ (2525); hot (from the tropical habitat); Cham, a son of Noah; also (as a patronymic) his descendants or their country:—Ham.”
Nothing there about black at all, and people’s names aren’t always an indication about their appearance. My brother Dale is more like a mountain.
“Since when did God ever appoint a sign for a curse which existed elsewhere?”
God can curse people as he sees fit, when he sees fit. God is not bound by rules you have invented and which are not stated in scripture.
If your claim was valid, you should have been able to post a passage from the Bible and one from the BoM teaching mutually exclusive doctrines. You haven’t, and you can’t.
Two bad assumptions here: The first one is that "resurrection" is always a "good thing" (LDS believes that the atonement basically provides a resurrected body for all). You say "receive their reward," well look at this reward of resurrection: Read John 5:29: "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Ya see? Joe Smith didn't bother to read the revelation of John 5 very closely. He thought he could just redefine "damnation" to "dam" like a river (oh sure, that's why folks think of a lake everytime you say "oh, damn it!") The problem is that in LDS thinking, damnation occurs prior to the resurrection...and so when they are confronted with the reality of a "resurrection of damnation," it's back to the spiritual drawing board.
The second bad assumption is to redefine all of the "everlasting" and "eternal" words in the Bible, Book of Mormon & D&C to mean less than "everlasting" and "eternal" when it comes to describing "hell" but then to twist it back to its normal meaning when describing heaven & the kingdom of God. And many scriptures make it plain that hell is the spirit prison; there's nothing temporary about the place OR the condition.
I have. Your cult's claim that black skin is an indication of God's curse is both ridiculous and disproved by the Bible.
Shall we go into other contradictions?
MHG,
A very clear post br’er! Thank you for posting
with clarity, the great Biblical truth of the
basis of salvation available to all who come
to Him to accept His gift. With empty hands
we come and He fills them!
Best,
ampu
What ever you tell me will always come from an incomplete source its like reading an abridgement and unless you have knowledge of the standards works you will not know the content of the talk and to whom.
But in your mind you feel you have the whole word of God and so it continues the paraded of stumbling blocks!
You can say all kinds of unsavory things about the LDS Doctine but it won’t remove the stumbling block until you allow the Heavenly Father in the name of his only begotton Son Jesus Christ to teach you by the power of the Holy Ghost!
Reread John, chaptes 3 thru 6. Count up the multiple times that "eternal life" is used in present tense "have eternal life"--not "will have eternal life." See John 3:36--HAS everlasting life (not will have). John 5:24: "hath everlasting life or HAS everlasting life." John 6:47: "Verily, verily I say unto yu, He that believeth on me hath (has) everlasting life."
Mary makes the same mistake you do in John 11, thinking that the celestial kingdom is only wrapped up in some future place--some location. "Jesus saith unto her, 'Thy brother shall rise again.' Martha saith unto him, I know that she shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' Jesus said to her, I am the ressurection, and the liefe; he that believeth (believes) in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live." (John 11:23-25).
Jesus says HE IS the resurrection...Jesus is the King. Jesus is the Kingdom. If you know the true Jesus, you are already spiritually resurrected. You are born again, as John and the book of Mosiah says. You are born from above. You are a new creature in Christ, as Paul wrote.
However, through the grace of God, all can be saved from their sins (see 2 Nephi 25:23...)
But 2 Nephi 25:23 says that you are saved by grace when? "AFTER ALL you can do." Have you, or anybody (besides Christ) ever been able or will be able to say, 'Yup, Dad. Done 'all I could do.' Can I have your grace now? Can your grace finally kick in? I've avoided all sins of commission humanly possible; I've done all I've supposed to do--avoided all sins of omission. I've taken collective responsibility for what goes on in my community just like the Bible says that I'll be held --to some degree--accountable for."
You’ve proven nothing, except that perhaps your grasp of logic is so weak you are unable to understand what a contradiction really is.
There is no evidence in the Bible that Ham was black, and nowhere does it state that God would not do anything like the BoM claims he did in that verse. You have not provided a pair of mutually exclusive verses from each book. Anytime you have to interpret a verse to create the contradiction, is isn’t a textual contradiction, it is just a denial of your interpretation of the text.
I said give me your best example and you came up very, very short of your claims. I don’t intend to spend endless hours correcting you on other supposed contradictions that you have already indicated are weaker examples than what you already provided.
[Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin. – Hebrews 10:14-18
There is One Perfect Revelation of God. He "became" flesh after the OT personalities you cite. He ascended to Heaven to prepare it for those who recognize Him. All which diverts, deludes, or obscures this Perfect Revelation of God will be banished.
In an honest translation, read John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 9-11.
One Lord, one faith, one baptism. Perfect is perfect. Complete is complete. The Holy Spirit does what? He testifies of the One who came in the flesh (I John - test of the spirits).
I suggest all use this test, in their eternal interest.
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