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To: CTrent1564
"In addition, the Catholic Church states that elements of sanctification (and Catholic doctrine would recognize two valid Sacraments, Baptism and Marriage in the Protestant Traditions) and Grace are present in the Protestant Communities that salvation does happen outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Communion."

Good Lord, does that statement sound like its steeped in post Vatican II steam and wrapped in a blanket of the 'Spriit of Vatican II' or what? Based on your name, (CTrent), I would have expected something a little more traditional than that new-age garbledygoop I just read. You seem to be trying to muddle the Truth which Pope Benedict XVI has recently purified the air with. The fact is, the Catholic Church is the Ordinary means of Salvation and those who reject her are on a sinking ship, regardless of the teachings and revisions since Vat II.

"Elements of grace and salvation"??? What exactly does that mean to the final destiny of the human soul? Baptism remits Original Sin, in Protestants as well as Catholics, but what about the litany of sins committed since baptism? If you're dying of thirst in the desert, do want somebody to pass by with "elements of a map", or do you want the whole map? I believe that Pope Benedict VXI was trying to tell Protestants that his Church not only has the whole map, but is the map. I pray now that silly sounding, watered-down apologies from the Catholic heirarchy and laity regarding our beliefs on salvation will no longer be necessary, and that Pope Benedict will lead the Church back to courage, conviction and steadfast faith.

28 posted on 07/13/2007 9:04:55 AM PDT by gemma0000 (They obscure the truth by calling it an issue of "immigration"-but it's an issue of LAW ENFORCEMENT.)
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To: gemma0000

Gemma0000:

I tried, off the cuff, without the exact text of the document in front of me to articulate the essence of the document. If there is something in there that is not quite in order, then I will humbly stand corrected. My intent was to convey the essence of what is taught. I chose CTrent1564 as a tag, not be provocative and I am not a Sedevacantist or member of the SSPX. In other words, I have no problem with Vat II and as Pope Benedict stated it must be interpreted with a “hermaneutic of continuity” with Vat I and Trent.

Perhaps choosing Trent as a tag name, people will immediatialy read into that name what they want to read (I have already had this discussion with a Dr. Ecklburg fellow on another forum) rather than letting Trent be intepreted in light of Vat I and Vat II the way it is communicated now through Pope Benedict. So again, what I stated about “elements of sanctification” being found in the Protestant Traditions is taught in the recent Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, perhaps my rendering of that teaching was not up to par.

Respectively submitted


29 posted on 07/13/2007 1:26:15 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: gemma0000
Welcome to FR gemma. = D
30 posted on 07/13/2007 7:23:09 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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