Posted on 07/10/2007 7:10:55 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
The Vatican has described the Protestant and Orthodox faiths as “not proper Churches” in a document issued with the full authority of the Pope.
Anglican leaders reacted with dismay, accusing the Roman Catholic Church of paradoxical behaviour. They said that the new 16-page document outling the “defects” of non-Catholic churches constituted a major obstacle to ecumenism.
The document said that the Orthodox church suffered from a “wound” because it did not recognise the primacy of the Pope. The wound was “still more profound” in Protestant denominations, it added.
It was “difficult to see how the title of ‘Church’ could possibly be attributed to them”, said the statement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Roman Catholicism was “the one true Church of Christ”.
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I never said that I agreed with the Pope. In fact, I don’t. I just wanted to see what Freepers opinions on the matter are.
No He wasn’t. He was just God and the Son of God. As I said, I don’t agree with Benedict’s statement, and in fact I’m not even Catholic.
I believe the Catholic answer is to pray about it. I'm sure a real historian could go on and on, but the classical answer is "go pray".
Hey, I agree totally.
I am a fallen away Catholic.
Since you asked, Matthew 7:15 comes to mind.
Some will say its better to go back to the 15th Century than the 6th?
Second Question: What is the meaning of the affirmation that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?Response: Christ "established here on earth" only one Church and instituted it as a "visible and spiritual community", that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted. "This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him".
In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church, in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth. It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them. Nevertheless, the word "subsists" can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe... in the "one" Church); and this "one" Church subsists in the Catholic Church.
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They may have really been taunting you, however most Catholic kids I knew would say those things just to mock their own faith.
I can't tell you how many of us ate fish on Fridays only for spite... because adults said "we couldn't".
We sure proved them wrong!
So this is what happens when you give the pope those little blue pills. His head swells up!
Oops- correction... we ATE MEAT for spite. Fish was “OK”.
Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, washed his hands of the matter and sent Jesus back to King Herod of Judaea.
The Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen and traveled to Rome to spread the Good News. He was even imprisoned there for two years and later died in Rome.
That’s funny/ironic. In 6th grade, while some of us Catholic kids were standing in the classroom waiting for a taxi that would take us to church school, a Protestant classmate came up and yelled at us saying “You Catholics think you are the best” or something to that effect. First time I’d ever encountered something like that.
“Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, washed his hands of the matter and sent Jesus back to King Herod of Judaea.”
Herod was not a Jew. He was appointed by the Romans.
Tell me - who used crucifixes? Who stabbed with the spear?
It’s not known precisely where Paul died.
***Just to point out, Protestants haven’t exactly been cozy with us either - especially in England and the U.S where they were majority.***
If GOD had wanted England to be Catholic the Armada would not have failed...twice.
"He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything."
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I think history and the bible indicates where Paul died. The better question is, where did Peter die … much of religious history and subsequent religious development depends on the answer.
Indeed. I have seen pictures taken in a Roman church monastery in the Holy Land of what the monks believe is the ossuary the apostle Peter.
Another question is, did the apostle Peter ever go to Rome? If so, why did Paul not mention Peter in his Epistle to the Romans?
Amen! Time wise, they were contemporaries in Jerusalem and were in Rome at the same time, you would think Paul would have mentioned Peter in his writings? After all they were “buds” in Jerusalem.
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