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To: conservonator; lupie; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; blue-duncan; xzins; topcat54; Uncle Chip
One last time, Muslims believe they worship the God of Abraham...

One last time. I don't care what they think they believe, they are worshiping Satan.

It would be a bit presumptuous of me to tell a Muslim that despite what they believe, they really worship the moon or a black rock and not God.

I don't care if it is presumptuous or not. They are worshiping Baal, Beelzebub, Lucifer, Satan, the Anti-Christ.

There is only one God and it is not Allah.

If you believe you worship the same God that the Muslims worship, then you, my friend, are worshiping Satan. It is the the God of Christianity. It is not the God of the Bible. It is "the god of this world."

325 posted on 07/11/2007 3:59:44 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
It is the the God of Christianity.

Correction:

It is the NOT the God of Christianity.

326 posted on 07/11/2007 4:01:20 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; conservonator; lupie; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE; blue-duncan; xzins; topcat54; ...
If their god is not Triune, and if their book says their god is NOT triune...goes out of its way to do so...then they are no more addressing the same person than Duncan Hunter and Bill Clinton are the same person.

The following is an Islamic expert commenting on the Trinity. Note the passage from the Koran in the middle of the quote. As you can see, they AND THEIR BOOK reject the Holy Trinity. While Jews are not trinitarian, their book has many trinitarian appearances and lines that the Jews simply don't accept. As Jesus said, "The Lord said unto my Lord..."

Expert: Abo Muhammed Samir Faid

Date: 5/29/2005

Subject: trinity

Question

I want to know, why islam rejects trinity that exists in christianity when they believe that there is only one God but apears in diffrent shapes?

Jesus and the Trinity Do these two belong together? The Bible Never puts them together! www.realtruth.org/Counterfiet_Jesus

Answer

God is One. There is no Trinity. Jesus is a prophet of God, and like all his fellow prophets, he is a human being. We love him, and believe in him, and affirm all of his miracles, bestowed upon him as a favour from his Lord. He called for the worship of God alone and for righteousness - as every prophet of God has done. However, his pure monotheistic message was gradually changed by 'Christians' into a polytheistic one, by transforming Jesus(the servant of God, into a mythological God-incarnate figure to be worshipped alongside God All-Mighty.

Jesus was in a mother's womb. He needed nutrition; he was born and grew up to be a man.A man who needs to eat, walk, sleep, rest, etc.. cannot have Divine Attributes because he is in need and God is Self-Sufficient

Christianity is inherently self-contradictory. It makes no sense that Jesus is both man and God, that God is both one and three, or that an innocent man is crucified so that the guilty can go free.

The term "Son of God" was used metaphorically speaking to those who were godly and pious men. It was never meant to be used literally as the case with Christianity toward Jesus

The Muslim perspective is this: God does not beget sons or daughters as begetting is an animal act reserved for the lower animal functions of sex. Metaphorically, we can all be described as the sons of God as God has created us and He provides for us, but physically He does not beget.

We should first answer this question What is the true word of God about Jesus ? u can find that only in Qur'an the final revelation the only authentic revealed book in the world that has been kept without change

Muslims believe that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Eve to life and Adam into being without a father or a mother

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an 3:59).

And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of everything. (Quran 5:116,117)

Jesus' giving life to the dead, healing the blind and the lepers All accepted. They were performed through the will of God

Trinity, the divinity of Jesus, the divine son ship of Jesus, and the doctrines of Original Sin and Atonement. All of these were made by men. Jesus prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in doctrines made by men: "But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).

'Sue' Watson - Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity who has Embraced Islam said ; It is interesting to note that there were bishops during the first three hundred years of the Church that were teaching as the Muslim believes that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet and teacher!! It was only after the conversion of Emperor Constantine that he was the one to call and introduce the doctrine of the Trinity. He a convert to Christianity who knew nothing of this religion introduced a paganistic concept that goes back to Babylonian times

If you really examine the Christian teaching on human sin with an open mind, you will see that they say that God sacrificed His only son to atone for the sins of mankind, and that this son was a god. If it was true that he was a god who was beaten, insulted and crucified, and died, then this doctrine contains elements of blasphemy because it accuses God of weakness and helplessness. Is God really incapable of forgiving the sins of all His servants with just one word?


329 posted on 07/11/2007 4:16:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Like I said, I don’t speak for Muslims, you want to debate what they worship, do it with a Muslim. As for me, I’ll keep praying for their conversion.
371 posted on 07/11/2007 7:17:24 PM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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