[Dr. Eckleburg]

The good thing about words written in black and white is that they are out there for everyone to read and decide for themselves their truth and reliability.

The text does not say "first place after the Jews." It says muslims are in "first place."

So unless there are two first places or unless second place is actually ahead of first place, the words themselves speak clearly of their intent.

Perhaps we could ask a Jew what he thinks of those "first place" remarks?

[conservonator]

From the catechism: The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator

The "also" indicates that a previous, elevated group was discussed earlier. Muslims are the first runner up to the Jews, as it were.

[lupie]

Even if they meant "photo-finish", there is absolutely nowhere in scripture that says that any brand of gentiles is more in favor with God than any other brand. Last I looked, all "ites" were not good, but all those who call on the Lord, regardless of bloodline are His children. And all others are not.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

So Jesus again said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.