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To: lupie
Amen.

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." -- Matthew 23:9

What's unclear or confusing about that statement?

Every day in every RC church that error is being committed against the clear admonition of Jesus Christ.

One among many.

256 posted on 07/11/2007 1:30:27 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

From http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/2min_apologetics.php?id=17...

Q: The Bible says to call no man Father, so why do we call our priests “Father”?

A: Matthew 23:9, “And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in Heaven.” Notice, however, that this makes no distinction between spiritual fathers, which is what our priests are to us, and biological fathers. In other words, if you interpret this passage to say, absolutely, that no man is to be called father, you cannot distinguish between calling a priest, father, and calling the man who is married to your mother, father.

But, is that actually what this passage is saying? Or is Jesus warning us against trying to usurp the fatherhood of God? Which, in many ways, is what the Pharisees and Scribes were doing. They wanted all attention focused on them...they were leaving God, the Father, out of the equation. Which is why Jesus goes on to call them hypocrites, liars, and whitewashed tombs.

If you interpret this passage from Matthew 23 as an absolute ban against calling anyone your spiritual father, then there are some problems for you in the rest of Scripture. For example, Jesus, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16, has the rich man referring to Abraham as “father” several times. Paul, in Romans chapter 4, refers to Abraham as the “father” of the uncircumcised, the Gentiles. That’s referring to spiritual fatherhood, not biological fatherhood.

In Acts 7:1-2, the first Christian martyr, Stephen, referred to the Jewish authorities and elders who were about to stone him as brothers and “fathers,” as does Paul in Acts, chapter 22. This is referring to spiritual fatherhood. So, if you interpret Matthew 23 as saying we cannot call anyone our spiritual father, then you have a problem with Jesus, Paul, Stephen, and the Holy Spirit...they must have all gotten it wrong.

It is okay to call priests “father”, just as it was okay for Jesus and Paul to call Abraham “father” and for Stephen and Paul to call the Jewish elders “father.” As long as we remember that our true Father is God the Father and that all aspects of fatherhood, biological and spiritual, are derived from Him. And as long as we do not allow anyone else to usurp that role in any way, shape, or form, as the Pharisees and Scribes were prone to do.


266 posted on 07/11/2007 1:41:05 PM PDT by jddqr
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." -- Matthew 23:9

LOL

Why do you think the RC would not allow their people/sheeple to read the Bible for themselves? It was a capitol offense.

Why did they do everything they could to keep Martin Luther from translating into German - in Germany?

And they didn't much care for it being put into English either.

The New Testament is rife with sayings of Jesus that totally refute so much of their doctrine.

Even further, I agree with Thomas Jefferson: read only the words of Jesus = red letter versions are great for this.

I wonder that many of those who "preach in His name" are not going to mightily surprised one day.

335 posted on 07/11/2007 4:36:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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