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To: conservonator; Dr. Eckleburg
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

Rather than trying to sidestep the issue, it plainly says here

1)Muslims are in FIRST place
2)they profess to hold the faith of Abraham
3) they adored the one, merciful God

They have replaced the Jews who DO believe in the God of Abraham with those who do NOT believe and profess in the God of Abraham. Their god is a hateful god, a god who demands murder and lying and stealing. Their god and their prophet deny the deity of Jesus. So how can they possibly be FIRST place in the plan of salvation? For those who truly acknowledge the Creator as their God and come to faith in Jesus Christ, then they can no longer be Muslims.

244 posted on 07/11/2007 1:03:12 PM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; xzins; topcat54; wmfights; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings
Rather than trying to sidestep the issue, it plainly says here

1)Muslims are in FIRST place
2)they profess to hold the faith of Abraham
3) they adored the one, merciful God

They have replaced the Jews who DO believe in the God of Abraham with those who do NOT believe and profess in the God of Abraham. Their god is a hateful god, a god who demands murder and lying and stealing. Their god and their prophet deny the deity of Jesus. So how can they possibly be FIRST place in the plan of salvation? For those who truly acknowledge the Creator as their God and come to faith in Jesus Christ, then they can no longer be Muslims.

Yes, it is truly an astounding statement. One wonders what's behind it since Scripture does not support the error of putting muslims ahead of the Jews.

Sounds like all that latent anti-semitism which the Jews worry about may actually be present in the RCC catechism.

How else to explain designating muslims in "first place" over the Jews?

250 posted on 07/11/2007 1:15:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: lupie

First place after the Jews, read the whole section for comprehension. If what you state were true and what the catechism lays our, I would agree, I would have to if I were to remain in communion with the Church, but your interpretation is not only wrong, it’s obviously wrong.


252 posted on 07/11/2007 1:17:51 PM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: lupie; conservonator; OLD REGGIE; Dr. Eckleburg
They have replaced the Jews who DO believe in the God of Abraham with those who do NOT believe and profess in the God of Abraham.

Just for the record, Jews do not believe in the God of Abraham. Abraham worshipped the triune God.

“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56)

Jews and Muslims are at precisely the same place when it comes to God because they fail to recognize Jesus Christ as divine Savior and Lord.

281 posted on 07/11/2007 2:02:18 PM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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