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To: Dr. Eckleburg
That paragraph is in a section that specifically addresses non-Christian peoples and religions. Protestants are Christians and as such are not considered in this section.

Now that you know, I trust that you will refrain from posting this section of the catechism in a misleading way again.

218 posted on 07/11/2007 12:12:44 PM PDT by conservonator (Pray for those suffering)
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To: conservonator
That paragraph is in a section that specifically addresses non-Christian peoples and religions. Protestants are Christians and as such are not considered in this section.

Now that you know, I trust that you will refrain from posting this section of the catechism in a misleading way again.

Two points.

1) It's sad that the RCC puts muslims in "first place" over the Jews.

And

2) My point was that according to the catechism of the RCC, the edicts of the council of Trent are still in force, i.e...

1376 - The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring...

Therefore, while the RCC accords muslims a place of respect, the RCC echoes Trent in its anathematizing of us Protestants.

Pitiful.

225 posted on 07/11/2007 12:35:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: conservonator; Dr. Eckleburg
That paragraph is in a section that specifically addresses non-Christian peoples and religions. Protestants are Christians and as such are not considered in this section.

Now that you know, I trust that you will refrain from posting this section of the catechism in a misleading way again.


You are correct. Let's look at the section which deals with "Christians".

============================================================================= 838 The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324

Pleas explain to this poor old ignorant fool the exact meaning of Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."

Please pay particular attention to "certain, although imperfect,". No Catholicspeak. Plain English please.

240 posted on 07/11/2007 12:52:47 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: conservonator; Dr. Eckleburg
That paragraph is in a section that specifically addresses non-Christian peoples and religions. Protestants are Christians and as such are not considered in this section.

Now that you know, I trust that you will refrain from posting this section of the catechism in a misleading way again.


You are correct. Let's look at the section which deals with "Christians".

============================================================================= 838 The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324

Pleas explain to this poor old ignorant fool the exact meaning of Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."

Please pay particular attention to "certain, although imperfect,". No Catholicspeak. Plain English please.

241 posted on 07/11/2007 12:53:28 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: conservonator
You say to the poster who quoted thusly:

According to the catechism of the RCC of 1994... "841 - The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

That paragraph is in a section that specifically addresses non-Christian peoples and religions. Protestants are Christians and as such are not considered in this section. Now that you know, I trust that you will refrain from posting this section of the catechism in a misleading way again.

Ahhh - the meaning is bold , clear, and in your face - and I don't recall a refutation of the mooselsimes yet? Maybe I missed it?

315 posted on 07/11/2007 3:20:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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