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Vatican reiterates hardline on primacy of Catholic Church
Philippine Star ^ | 7/10/2007

Posted on 07/10/2007 6:03:29 AM PDT by markomalley

VATICAN CITY (AFP) - The Vatican set itself on a collision course with other Christian faiths Tuesday, reaffirming the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church in a corrective document designed to clear up recent "erroneous" doctrine.

The document's central claim that the Catholic Church is "the one true Church of Christ", is likely to revive a debate which has dogged the Vatican's dealings with other Christian faiths for decades.

Other Christian faiths "lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church," it said.

The 16-page text -- released by the Vatican's doctrinal watchdog the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and ratified by the pope -- "constitutes a clear reaffirmation of Catholic doctrine on the Church," according to an attached commentary.

Basically a restatement of bedrock Vatican doctrine, its release was prompted "because some contemporary theological research has been erroneous or ambiguous," the commentary said.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
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To: pgkdan

All you need to know about Pope Benedict XV is who was belittling him when he was Josef Cardinal Ratzinger.


121 posted on 07/10/2007 2:54:12 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: markomalley

Just when I was starting to like this pope, he goes and says something like this.

After 2000 years, his disciples are STILL quibbling about who is first among them!!! The Master will not be pleased.


122 posted on 07/10/2007 4:58:01 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: NYer
Which one would that be? The one in Jerusalem? Antioch? England? Thessaloniki? Corinth? Egypt? or the later Rome?
Our Lord himself admonished his first disciples for wanting to be "first" in importance!

Now, if you’re referring to the body of Christ which is composed of all who believe in him and follow his commandments, then I most heartily agree!

123 posted on 07/10/2007 5:10:23 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: Robert Drobot

bump and bookmarked


124 posted on 07/10/2007 5:20:47 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Robert Drobot

bump


125 posted on 07/10/2007 5:21:17 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: topcat54

“Christ alone is the head of His Church, not the “bishop of Rome” or any such pretender.”

Well said!


126 posted on 07/10/2007 5:23:38 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Which one would that be? The one in Jerusalem? Antioch? England? Thessaloniki? Corinth? Egypt? or the later Rome?

All of them ... they are all members of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Our Lord himself admonished his first disciples for wanting to be "first" in importance!

Scripture reveals this Church to be the one Jesus Christ built upon the rock of Saint Peter (Matt. 16:18). By giving Peter the keys of authority (Matt. 16:19), Jesus appointed Peter as the chief steward over His earthly kingdom (cf. Isaiah. 22:19-22). Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the apostles (Luke 22:32) and the earthly shepherd of Jesus' flock (John 21:15-17). Jesus further gave Peter, and the apostles and elders in union with him, the power to bind and loose in heaven what they bound and loosed on earth. (Matt. 16:19; 18:18). This teaching authority did not die with Peter and the apostles, but was transferred to future bishops through the laying on of hands (e.g., Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Tim. 4:14; 5:22; 2 Tim. 1:6).

127 posted on 07/10/2007 5:44:08 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Quix

THE ATHANASIAN CREED

The Athanasian Creed, attributed to Saint Athanasius, also know as the Quicumque vult, was formerly recited at the office of Prime on Sundays and Trinity Sunday is the time when we renew our commitment to our Faith and the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus - "Outside the Church There is No Salvation."

The Athanasian Creed is one of the four authoritative Creeds of Holy Mother Church, and it is not something that is an opinion but what every Roman Catholic must believe.

   

Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem: Quam nisi quisque integram inviolatamque servaverit, absque dubio in aeternam peribit. Fides autem catholica haec est: ut unum Deum in Trinitate, et Trinitatem in unitate veneremur. Neque confundentes personas, neque substantiam seperantes. Alia est enim persona Patris alia Filii, alia Spiritus Sancti: Sed Patris, et Fili, et Spiritus Sancti una est divinitas, aequalis gloria, coeterna maiestas. Qualis Pater, talis Filius, talis Spiritus Sanctus. Increatus Pater, increatus Filius, increatus Spiritus Sanctus. Immensus Pater, immensus Filius, immensus Spiritus Sanctus. Aeternus Pater, aeternus Filius, aeternus Spiritus Sanctus. Et tamen non tres aeterni, sed unus aeternus. Sicut non tres increati, nec tres immensi, sed unus increatus, et unus immensus. Similiter omnipotens Pater, omnipotens Filius, omnipotens Spiritus Sanctus. Et tamen non tres omnipotentes, sed unus omnipotens. Ita Deus Pater, Deus Filius, Deus Spiritus Sanctus. Ita Dominus Pater, Dominus Filius, Dominus Spiritus Sanctus. Et tamen non tres Domini, sed unus est Dominus. Quia, sicut singillatim unamquamque personam Deum ac Dominum confiteri christiana veritate compelimur: ita tres Deos aut Dominos dicere catholica religione prohibemur. Pater a nullo est factus: nec creatus, nec genitus. Filius a Patre solo est: non factus, nec creatus, sed genitus. Spiritus Sanctus a Patre et Filio: non factus, nec creatus, nec genitus, sed procedens. Unus ergo Pater, non tres Patres: unus Filius, non tres Filii: unus Spiritus Sanctus, non tres Spiritus Sancti. Et in hac Trinitate nihil prius aut posterius, nihil maius aut minus: sed totae tres personae coaeternae sibi sunt et coaequales. Ita ut per omnia, sicut iam supra dictum est, et unitas in Trinitate, et Trinitas in unitate veneranda sit. Qui vult ergo salvus esse, ita de Trinitate sentiat. Sed necessarium est ad aeternam salutem, ut incarnationem quoque Domini nostri Iesu Christi fideliter credat. Est ergo fides recta ut credamus et confiteamur, quia Dominus noster Iesus Christus, Dei Filius, Deus et homo est. Deus est ex substantia Patris ante saecula genitus: et homo est ex substantia matris in saeculo natus. Perfectus Deus, perfectus homo: ex anima rationali et humana carne subsistens. Aequalis Patri secundum divinitatem: minor Patre secundum humanitatem. Qui licet Deus sit et homo, non duo tamen, sed unus est Christus. Unus autem non conversione divinitatis in carnem, sed assumptione humanitatis in Deum. Unus omnino, non confusione substantiae, sed unitate personae. Nam sicut anima rationalis et caro unus est homo: ita Deus et homo unus est Christus. Qui passus est pro salute nostra: descendit ad inferos: tertia die resurrexit a mortuis. Ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis: inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos. Ad cuius adventum omnes homines resurgere habent cum corporibus suis: et reddituri sunt de factis propriis rationem. Et qui bona egerunt, ibunt in vitam aeternam: qui vero mala, in ignem aeternum. Haec est fides catholica, quam nisi quisque fideliter firmiterque crediderit, salvus esse non poterit. Amen.

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Whosoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the Catholic Faith. For unless a person keeps this Faith whole and entire, he will undoubtedly be lost forever. This is what the Catholic Faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit. But the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is. The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being. So there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being. Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, the Holy Spirit is omnipotent. Yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. However, there are not three gods, but one God. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord. However, there as not three lords, but one Lord. For as we are obliged by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person singly to be God and Lord, so too are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords. The Father was not made, nor created, nor generated by anyone. The Son is not made, nor created, but begotten by the Father alone. The Holy Spirit is not made, nor created, nor generated, but proceeds from the Father and the Son. There is, then, one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits. In this Trinity, there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less. The entire three Persons are co-eternal and co-equal with one another. So that in all things, as is has been said above, the Unity is to be worshipped in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity. He, therefore, who wishes to be saved, must believe thus about the Trinity. It is also necessary for eternal salvation that he believes steadfastly in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is both God and man. As God, He was begotten of the substance of the Father before time; as man, He was born in time of the substance of His Mother. He is perfect God; and He is perfect man, with a rational soul and human flesh. He is equal to the Father in His divinity, but inferior to the Father in His humanity. Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ. And He is one, not because His divinity was changed into flesh, but because His humanity was assumed unto God. He is one, not by a mingling of substances, but by unity of person. As a rational soul and flesh are one man: so God and man are one Christ. He died for our salvation, descended into hell, and rose from the dead on the third day. He ascended into Heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there He shall come to judge the living and the dead. At His coming, all men are to arise with their own bodies; and they are to give an account of their own deeds. Those who have done good deeds will go into eternal life; those who have done evil will go into the everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise He cannot be saved. Amen.


128 posted on 07/10/2007 7:13:17 PM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

It still boggles my mind at how tiny the boxes . . . so stuffed with traditions of men . . .

that folks also try and stuff God Almighty in.

Incredible.


129 posted on 07/10/2007 8:17:56 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: topcat54
Christ alone is the head of His Church, not the "bishop of Rome" or any such pretender.

Amen.

Peter stated that fact (1Pe.5:4)

130 posted on 07/10/2007 9:59:59 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Aquinasfan; Dr. Eckleburg
When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know

Check out Ps.138:2, 'thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name'

God places His words above His own name!

In other words, nothing is equal to God's words-espically man-made traditions (Mk.7:7)

Now where does the Bible ever use the word 'Catholic'?

131 posted on 07/10/2007 10:10:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Salvation
All the churches at that time were Catholic — founded by Christ through the apostles.

No, they were Christian, not Catholic.

132 posted on 07/10/2007 10:11:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Quix
Historical revisionism is not just a monopoly of the Soviets. Such an authoritarian Rome centered hierarchy did not exist the first few centuries. Christ rent the curtain protecting the Most Holy of Holies from the troops. Can’t imagine He was interested in setting a new one up.

Amen.

133 posted on 07/10/2007 10:13:09 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Thanks for your kind Amen.

True, the churches were

CHRISTIAN

NOT

ROMAN Catholic.


134 posted on 07/11/2007 12:00:02 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration

INDEED:

Check out Ps.138:2, ‘thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name’

THx


135 posted on 07/11/2007 12:01:13 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Check out Ps.138:2, 'thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name'

John 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Your question also begs the question as to what constitutes Scripture. How do you know what constitutes Scripture? And who has the earthly authority to do so, you, or the Church that Christ founded?

In other words, nothing is equal to God's words-espically man-made traditions (Mk.7:7)

True. But man-made traditions are not the same as Apostolic Tradition.

2 Thessalonians 2:15

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

The New Testament is Written Apostolic Tradition, and Oral Tradition is oral Apostolic Tradition.

Now where does the Bible ever use the word 'Catholic'?

Now where does the Bible ever use the word "Trinity"? "Bible"? "New Testament"? "Protestant"?

Where does the Bible say that all theological truths not contained in the Bible are false?

Where does the Bible say that Scripture is comprised of the 66 books of the Protestant canon, and not the 73 books of the Catholic canon?

136 posted on 07/11/2007 5:07:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: EarthBound

Doh!... I thought you were a catholic.... MY BAD.

Well, take the plunge man... cross the Tiber... what’r ya waitin’ for???


137 posted on 07/11/2007 5:08:35 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch (Rush Limbaugh, the Winston Churchill of our time)
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To: fortheDeclaration
No, they were Christian, not Catholic.

And I'm 100% certain they weren't Protestant.

138 posted on 07/11/2007 7:46:49 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: blu
Is there anything about YOUR religion we'd find laughable?

I do! however, we don't kiss rings or think any human is "Holy."

We don't think we are the only Christians going to Heaven or that being Catholic will keep you out of Hell.

139 posted on 07/11/2007 8:48:30 AM PDT by lonestar
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To: lonestar

I was talking about your religion, not mine. Oh, and for the record, being Catholic will not keep me out of hell. Did you miss the memo about us not having an E-ticket to heaven?

So, c’mon. Put your religion out on the table so someone (if they are so inclined) can mock it. Handled any snakes lately?


140 posted on 07/11/2007 10:26:22 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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