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To: Ping-Pong; DouglasKC
This is not speaking of the temple in Jerusalem....or the Heavenly Temple in the New Jerusalem. It is speaking of a man made edifice, a Church sanctuary, a famous structure, a well known City/Church/State building where this false prophet will attempt to convince humanity he is God!

I need to clarify this statement as after reading it I realize It's not exactly what I meant to say.

The "Abomination of Desolation" [Daniel 11:31][Daniel 12:11] has occurred already occurred twice. Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Temple (Jerusalem 168 B.C.) by dedicating it to Jupiter and even sacrificed pigs on the altar. Titus desecrated it in 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was destroyed. Prophecy is sometimes dual in nature and we definitely see that exhibited here......but I did not mean that the False Prophet would not also desecrate a "New Temple" in Jerusalem in the future. What I was attempting....(clumsily) to say.... was that for 2000 years now desecration of "A" sanctuary has been an ongoing thing.

Our Lord said [Matthew 24:15] "When you see it (the Abomination of Desolation) standing in the Holy place" & [Luke 21:20] "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies Desolation will be near" & [Mark 13:14] "When you see it (Abomination of Desolation standing where it does not belong.....then let those in Judea flee to the mountains." The fact that Jerusalem is being surrounded.....and folks are to flee from Judea to the mountains indicates a Jerusalem locale for the desecration of the Temple.

The problem here is that there is currently no Temple in Jerusalem. That does not mean one will not be built!

The Papacy has called for Jerusalem to become an "International" city for sometime now and an open city for folks of all religious persuasions. The leadership of Israel, for the most part, has always said that "Never Again" will Jerusalem be a divided city. It will always be the Capital of a Jewish state. There is obviously much pressure from the surrounding Arab countries to insure that this policy does not prevail.

The next big war will probably tell the tale....if there is intervention from Europe (probably will be) you can bet your bottom dollar that the Vatican will be involved. If the armies surrounding Jerusalem are European Armies think of the possible misconceptions the world may have! If there is a Temple built at that point, and we see a Papal delegation, in the interest of Ecumenical cooperation....visiting that New Temple.....as the armies of Europe do indeed surround the place, giving off the impression of providing security, and whatever Pope it might be....performing miracles to millions via satellite television......well, read [2 Thessalonians 2:4] again! Maybe his personal intervention has brought "Peace" to the middle East????? You can see the ramifications!

Most folks would be deceived that this could be anything but God sanctioned....after all, European Armies protecting Israel. C'mon now....what's the problem with that? If they were Arab.....we would be concerned....but Armies of Europe and the Pope himself! Not to worry!

Do you see what I'm getting at? The Pope could claim that "THE CHURCH" was returning to its roots......and the "Abomination of Desolation" would be in place!

Everything hinges on when.... and if a new temple is built in Jerusalem. But the desecration of New Testament Christianity has been going on for two thousand years. I think the Prophecy in [Mark 13:14] is the most apropos: But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

835 posted on 12/15/2007 7:51:48 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
The "Abomination of Desolation" [Daniel 11:31][Daniel 12:11] has occurred already occurred twice. Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Temple (Jerusalem 168 B.C.) by dedicating it to Jupiter and even sacrificed pigs on the altar. Titus desecrated it in 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was destroyed. Prophecy is sometimes dual in nature and we definitely see that exhibited here......but I did not mean that the False Prophet would not also desecrate a "New Temple" in Jerusalem in the future. What I was attempting....(clumsily) to say.... was that for 2000 years now desecration of "A" sanctuary has been an ongoing thing.

That does clear up some of the scripture I was thinking about when comparing it to your earlier post. I still haven't studied what you are saying (hopefully I can tomorrow at work - I always have more free time at work than at home) but do you believe that a "new" temple will be built or are the references to the holy place there now - holy to Islam? But, if it was Islam's holy place it wouldn't be referred to as "Temple of God." If it doesn't mean Islam's holy place and a new temple isn't built...what is the "Temple of God?"

I ask this because someone speaking about corporate theology believes that the "temple of God" mentioned is the body of believers. Some of us are the temple the anti-christ will be in. He believes that the return of Christ is all of the body of believers...not an entity. He also believes that the anti-christ is not an entity but the body of his believers.

Diego, I just thought of something...please let me know what you think. Christ said:

John 2:19Jesus answered and said unto them, "Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

21. But He spake of the Temple of His body.

He did raise that Temple in three days so He must be the Temple spoken of in:

11 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Could that scripture mean that anti-christ and/or the false prophet (I still don't know if they are one and the same or separate)but either way...could it be that entity sitting "as God" (pretending to be Christ) in "the Temple of God" (masquerading in looks and actions as Christ, the temple that was raised in 3 days)....."shewing himself that he is God."

The Temple of God is Christ and he will be in that form pretending to be Him...the fake. Could that be what is meant by the above scripture?

......Ping

836 posted on 12/16/2007 7:05:19 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Diego1618; DouglasKC
I have another question on a different subject. When reading about end times the scripture about "ruling with a rod of iron," I always thought it was Christ in that role.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

28.And I will give him the morning star

12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

19:15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The He and Him in caps is Christ but who is the other "he", who is the "manchild" that God gives the rod to? What is meant by Christ giving him - the manchild, the morning star? He is the morning star. Does He make the manchild a morning star? Are these the elect that rule with Him, or instead of Him, during the millennium? Is that what is meant by being gods? And...when is he caught up to the throne?

HELP PLEASE.

.........Ping

837 posted on 12/28/2007 12:37:46 PM PST by Ping-Pong
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