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To: fortheDeclaration
I don't have to check anything since you have not stated anything that is not already known. None of those tablets say anything about the Israelites escaping from Assyria or uniting in a massive revolt against Assyria and helping their enemies fight against them. All those tablets tell is that the Israelites were there (which we knew) and about how the Assyrians administered their empire (which we knew). So, your appeal to the Assyrian tablets as revealing some great 'unknown truth' is simply smoke and mirrors. What you have to produce is evidence that the Israelites escaped from Assyria as a united 10 tribe nation and went to Western Europe and then had mass amnesia and forgot their Hebrew heritage and became the founders of the Western nations. So, once again, if you cannot produce such evidence (not conjecture), your entire theory is built on a foundation of sand.

Granted, there is no tablet that says, "The great numbers of Israelites gathered together and went to Europe." Apparently, this kind of statement is what you require.

However, there are many that talk about people that one recognizes as Israelite. I've already given you a sample of the things reported.

You didn't know how the Assyrians administered their empire. You though 27,000 deported were all the Israelites that were left in that area.

You didn't even know about the Assyrian records existed before I told you, because the histories you relied upon were written by a person who either didn't know of them or entirely ignored them.

I think I have come as close to proof with the available evidence as one can when uncovering what people did three thousand years ago.

You, on the other hand, have not presented any writing, either biblical, historical or recorded by ancient writers during the period, several of which wrote regularly about the people of the Bible, that would indicate migrations of the northern kingdom returned from Assyria and merged with the remnants of the southern kingdom residing in Palestine.

At that time, it is without a doubt such writers would consider Hosea and Ezekiel to have been fulfilled, or, at least the event would have been close enough to prophecies to record it.

I have writings, and a lot of them, at my disposal. If you would like some references to books written from the translated tablets, cylinders and prisms, I'll be happy to provide.

714 posted on 09/07/2007 7:44:19 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
[I don't have to check anything since you have not stated anything that is not already known. None of those tablets say anything about the Israelites escaping from Assyria or uniting in a massive revolt against Assyria and helping their enemies fight against them. All those tablets tell is that the Israelites were there (which we knew) and about how the Assyrians administered their empire (which we knew). So, your appeal to the Assyrian tablets as revealing some great 'unknown truth' is simply smoke and mirrors. What you have to produce is evidence that the Israelites escaped from Assyria as a united 10 tribe nation and went to Western Europe and then had mass amnesia and forgot their Hebrew heritage and became the founders of the Western nations. So, once again, if you cannot produce such evidence (not conjecture), your entire theory is built on a foundation of sand.]

Granted, there is no tablet that says, "The great numbers of Israelites gathered together and went to Europe." Apparently, this kind of statement is what you require.

Or, something to that effect.

However, there are many that talk about people that one recognizes as Israelite. I've already given you a sample of the things reported.

And Israelite is a Jew, from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob-period.

They are the 12 tribes who receive their promised inheritance in the Millennium (Ezek.48)

You didn't know how the Assyrians administered their empire. You though 27,000 deported were all the Israelites that were left in that area.

I knew very well how the Assyrians administered their empire.

You B.I. guys start with the false view that you know something that everyone else doesn't.

Moreover, I never said that the 27,000 were the ones left, since I produced the Sargon inscription that stated that he had deported those 27,000.

Swinging at the straw man again!

I agreed that there were many left in the land who were not deported and these would have been in the Land when Judah returned from their Babylonian captivity.

The work that I cited, The Might That was Assyria is very detailed on the Assyrian administration, their deportations and their inner workings of their empire.

You didn't even know about the Assyrian records existed before I told you, because the histories you relied upon were written by a person who either didn't know of them or entirely ignored them.

LOL!

So, now you are forced down to the level of simply lying!

You have no records that support what you are trying to say, by your own admission.

There is not a single Assyrian record that you know of that states what you need to have stated, that millions of Israelites were in the Assyrian empire and went somewhere else.

There is not a record of that, so everything you have been posting regarding it is mere conjecture on your part, based on the unproved, unsupported premise that they did.

So, once again, you have not stated anything that any history student who took a basic history course in ancient history would not have known.

What you tried to do is get by with an unsupported conjecture to make a giant logical leap and construct an entire false and unproven theory that the Israelites had remain intact in Assyria, moved out and then in a mass amensia, became a different people, who in turn then created different nations.

That prophecy of a mass amnesia is no where in Scripture.

What is in Scripture is the Diaspora, (Deut.28:64-65), which even today is still in effect, with Jews scattered throughout the world.

I think I have come as close to proof with the available evidence as one can when uncovering what people did three thousand years ago.

LOL!

Your entire thesis would have been rejected by any college history professor teaching basic ancient history.

All that you did was restate truths that were well known and then made a giant logical leap to assume that millions of Israelites were either deported or born in Assyria and remained united as a people and then moved out of Assyria and there is no record of anything ever happening.

But you assert that contention as if you have proved the premise-which you haven't.

You, on the other hand, have not presented any writing, either biblical, historical or recorded by ancient writers during the period, several of which wrote regularly about the people of the Bible, that would indicate migrations of the northern kingdom returned from Assyria and merged with the remnants of the southern kingdom residing in Palestine.

More strawman.

I am not contending that the Israelties migrated anywhere.

Nor, do the historians.

The contention that you have to deal with is assimilation not migration.

We do state that those left in the land after the deportations were there when the Southern tribes returned.

We know that there were many Israelites left in the land after the deportation (2Chr.31:6-and concerning the children of Israel and Judah that dwelt in the cities of Judah...)

At that time, it is without a doubt such writers would consider Hosea and Ezekiel to have been fulfilled, or, at least the event would have been close enough to prophecies to record it.

No one considered those prophecies fulfilled since the Messiah hadn't come.

For the prophecies to be fulfilled the Millennial Kingdom has to occur first, that was what the Apostles were asking about when the Lord ascended (Acts 1)

I have writings, and a lot of them, at my disposal. If you would like some references to books written from the translated tablets, cylinders and prisms, I'll be happy to provide.

Thank you.

I have acess as well to the Assyrian records.

Now, if you can provide a record that shows that there was a massive movement by the Israelites, please do so.

There is, by your own admission, no such record.

There is no scriptural prophecy that states that the Israelites would lose their memory.

The Southern tribes did not lose theirs.

To sum up, your entire thesis is based on nothing but conjecture and myth.

Now, we who believe that the 12 tribes are still in existence as Jews, do not have prove any mass movement (as you think we do)

We believe that there were Israelites in the land after the deportation.

We believe some of the Israelites who were deported did return as well.

We see Jews from the lands of the Medes, where the 10 tribes were deported mentioned in Acts 2.

We see the House of Israel mentioned by both the Lord and Peter.

There is nothing that you posted regarding the Assyrians that is not taught on the basic level in college.

I have seen the translated records of the Assyrians that talk about their collapse and nothing is spoken of about the 10 tribes as a group of people.

So, your entire theory is simply based on putting forth straw man arguments, mixed with question begging and circular reasoning.

Not a single historical or Biblical fact support your thesis that the Israelites went anywhere as a group, forgot who they were, and became another people else forming nations of Western Europe.

Paul sends his greetings to three groups of people in 1Cor.10, the Jew, the Gentile and the Church.

He doesn't make mention of the Israelites because he regards them as Jews.

So, once again, the entire B.I. thesis is nothing but a fabrication constructed on straw man, question begging, circular reasoning and devoid of any real evidence of what needs to be proven, that millions of Israelites moved anywhere as a people and became someone else.

The final straw in the B.I. quiver is the appeal to philogy, which has also shown to be unsupportable as well.

719 posted on 09/08/2007 6:40:01 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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