The British Israelites say that the 10 tribes went to Europe and became someone else. That's what you said.
The 12 tribes were dispersed throughout Europe as Jews.
At the time of Christ. Not hardly. Prove it.
Thus, we find Jews at Rome when Paul gets there.
Yes, there were those of Judah in Rome. So?
No one denies the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world, that was part of the curse that they were threatened with in Deut.28:64-65-all 12 tribes, not just the Southern ones.
Your mistake is assuming that Israelites and Judah were one in the same peoples. That notion is not supportable. Beside other contrary facts, the fulfilling of Hosea and Ezekiel would have certainly been recorded, which fulfilling must have happened if, as you claim, Israel returned to Palestine and became "Jews".
And please don't give me this Millennium dodge again. You have absolutely no idea what Revelation means, just what you want it to mean. There is no settled interpretation of Revelation; there are just many contending views, of which your's is only one.
When we talk about Europe we are talking about the Jews being dispersed among the then Roman Empire that later became modern Europe.
When I'm talking about Europe, I'm talking about Ireland, England, Germany, Scandinavia and all parts north, south, east, and west. Israel has centuries to get there and raise kids.
It doesn't place the Israelites moving into Europe as tribes. When Jews were dispersed throughout Europe were done so through the various conquests. No separate entity as the Israelites went anywhere, the 12 tribes were dispersed throughout Europe and Asia as Jews.
The presumption from the evidence is there. Your theory makes less sense when contrasted with prophecy, records from the time and oblique references in the New Testament.
You keep saying the the Jews and Israelites merged, but htere is no evidence of it.
Have you found that Jew to ask which tribe he belongs to, so you can tell him he can't know? I'm waiting for you to tell of your experience.
And that is how James addresses them, as 12 tribes, not 10.
We have discussed this already. All 12 tribes, including Judah and Benjamin, were Israelites, as were the other ten tribes. The Jews were scattered and so was Israel. There is nothing that indicates they were scattered together.
So, what's your point.
It came from his own inscription. I gave you the book that it was cited from. Go to the library and look it up.
It couldn't be long. Type it up. Give me supporting references that might somehow indicate that was all the Israelites there were, and not some small part.
And ofcourse, it was not all the Israelites, but it was their capital city and it was down to only 27,000 people, so the numbers of the rest couldn't have been too great.
People? You mean men women and children? You mean those who had no fled to other parts? Or do you mean fighting men. And when was this, how many generations to replenish the population? What part of the Israelite nation were they?
God punished the Israelites. You do no kill a child to punish it, any more than you wipe out a people, especially one with which holy covenants were made, and God had already made promises to be fulfilled, which have not been fulfilled to date.
Many too many questions.
It is up to you to provide some real historical facts that support your idiotic view.
I have, which you have ignored and not refuted. Must you call names? Have you no decorum or maturity in discussion?
The work that the number is cited is in the History of Israel, 3rd edition, John Bright, 1981.
Then he should have done more research.
That has been answered.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it. Can't you answer it again? How hard is it to type "yes" or "no"?
I believe we have over-discussed the rest of your post, here.
[The British Israelites say that the 10 tribes went to Europe and became someone else.] That's what you said.
I never said that, I said that the Jews were dispersed and did not forget who they are.
[ The 12 tribes were dispersed throughout Europe as Jews. ]
At the time of Christ. Not hardly. Prove it.
Not hard to prove, they were all over and they were certainly dispersed after the fall of the Temple in 70AD.
In the Book of Acts, Paul is going throughout his journey's to the 'Jew first, and then the Gentiles'.
[ Thus, we find Jews at Rome when Paul gets there. ]
Yes, there were those of Judah in Rome. So?
So, Italy is part of Europe.
They were also spread throughout the rest of Europe and Asia Minor as shown by the first chapter of Acts where the nations they came from are listed.
[ No one denies the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world, that was part of the curse that they were threatened with in Deut.28:64-65-all 12 tribes, not just the Southern ones. ]
Your mistake is assuming that Israelites and Judah were one in the same peoples. That notion is not supportable. Beside other contrary facts, the fulfilling of Hosea and Ezekiel would have certainly been recorded, which fulfilling must have happened if, as you claim, Israel returned to Palestine and became "Jews".
No, that curse was made on all of the Hebrew people before the split in the Kingdoms.
And it pertains to all of the 12 tribes.
The only difference is that they were split before the dispersion happened, first to the 10 tribes and then to the last 2 remaining tribes.
All 12 tribes returned and were in Israel at the time of Christ and were dispersed again after the fall of the Temple in 70 AD and were not a nation again until 1948.
They will not be a Kingdom until the Millennial reign after the Tribulation occurs.
And please don't give me this Millennium dodge again. You have absolutely no idea what Revelation means, just what you want it to mean. There is no settled interpretation of Revelation; there are just many contending views, of which your's is only one.
The Millennium is clearly stated in those verses that were given to you.
You just want to deny what you read which refutes your heretical, idiotic theological view.
But why let the facts get in the way of a good fable!
[ When we talk about Europe we are talking about the Jews being dispersed among the then Roman Empire that later became modern Europe. ]
When I'm talking about Europe, I'm talking about Ireland, England, Germany, Scandinavia and all parts north, south, east, and west. Israel has centuries to get there and raise kids.
No Israelites were in those areas that did not know they were Jews.
Stop making up history.
[ It doesn't place the Israelites moving into Europe as tribes. When Jews were dispersed throughout Europe were done so through the various conquests. No separate entity as the Israelites went anywhere, the 12 tribes were dispersed throughout Europe and Asia as Jews. ]
The presumption from the evidence is there. Your theory makes less sense when contrasted with prophecy, records from the time and oblique references in the New Testament.
You have zero evidence and no presumption of anything like that happening, not from history, not from prophecy, not from anything in the New Testament.
And to keep repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth.
No Israelites moved anywhere after the Assyrian captivity except in your fantasy world.
They were either assimilated into the surrounding people or they were joined with the Southern tribes and became intermingled with them and became known as Jews as well.
You keep saying the the Jews and Israelites merged, but htere is no evidence of it.
Ofcourse there is, they were in Israel when the Lord was there and Peter addresses them in Acts 2 as the House of Israel.
James sends out an epistle to the 12 tribes.
There is alot more evidence of there assimilation then your myth of the tribes roaming to Europe and then forgetting that they are Hebrews!
Have you found that Jew to ask which tribe he belongs to, so you can tell him he can't know? I'm waiting for you to tell of your experience.
Why should I ask any Jew anything since he cannot know what tribe he is from.
He has no records to tell him.
All the genealogical records were destroyed.
[ And that is how James addresses them, as 12 tribes, not 10. ]
We have discussed this already. All 12 tribes, including Judah and Benjamin, were Israelites, as were the other ten tribes. The Jews were scattered and so was Israel. There is nothing that indicates they were scattered together.
And there is nothing to indicate that they did not know who they were either.
So, if those tribes were in the Roman Empire (which they were) they were intermingled as a people, not as a separate entity, with differing tribes.
James was writing to saved Christians who had been Jews from each of the 12 tribes, scattered throughout the Roman Empire, including Britain.
So, what's your point.
The point is you do not know what you are talking about-get the point?
[ It came from his own inscription. I gave you the book that it was cited from. Go to the library and look it up. ]
It couldn't be long. Type it up. Give me supporting references that might somehow indicate that was all the Israelites there were, and not some small part.
No, go and look it up, you are clearly intellectually a very lazy person.
[ And ofcourse, it was not all the Israelites, but it was their capital city and it was down to only 27,000 people, so the numbers of the rest couldn't have been too great. ]
People? You mean men women and children? You mean those who had no fled to other parts? Or do you mean fighting men. And when was this, how many generations to replenish the population? What part of the Israelite nation were they?
It means all the people of the city, which totalled only 27,000.
We have already seen that the army had been whittled down to only 10,000 men in an earlier chapter.
The Northern Kingdom was a shell of itself when it was finally dispersed, it did not number in the millions as you conjure up in your fertile imagination.
God punished the Israelites. You do no kill a child to punish it, any more than you wipe out a people, especially one with which holy covenants were made, and God had already made promises to be fulfilled, which have not been fulfilled to date.
You really are a very slow person aren't you?
Did I say that the 10 tribes were wiped out?
They still exist, as Jews.
Many too many questions.
Only for those who do not want the real answers.
Not mythology.
[ It is up to you to provide some real historical facts that support your idiotic view. ]
I have, which you have ignored and not refuted. Must you call names? Have you no decorum or maturity in discussion?
You have not provided any facts to anything.
As for calling names, if you want to keep posting nonsense and reject the truth, that is what you deserve, rebuke and ridicule.
[ The work that the number is cited is in the History of Israel, 3rd edition, John Bright, 1981. ]
Then he should have done more research.
He did alot more research then you ever did.
He actually has historical evidence.
And you have-your opinion!
[ That has been answered. ]
I'm sorry. I must have missed it. Can't you answer it again? How hard is it to type "yes" or "no"?
How hard is it to look up an old post.
Look it up.
I believe we have over-discussed the rest of your post, here.
Actually we have not discussed anything, you just continue to reject the truth of the Bible, history, and logic.
But if you keep posting me your nonsense, I will keep responding to it, I know the tactics of you bunch of frauds.