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To: P-Marlowe
It is very likely that the rapture is referenced in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

That was one of the many mistakes the article from Lambert Dolphin makes. That scripture clearly shows us that Paul is warning everyone that his first letter to the Thessalonians (4:17)confused folks, as it does today. We will all experience Satan's tribulation before Christ arrives.

for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

How does he interpret that to mean anyone will be raptured out of here and miss it?

If people, Christians, are not prepared for what will happen there will be a great falling away, as they will all rush to Satan, believing he is Christ coming to fly them away. The sad thing is they won't even realize what they are doing.

60 posted on 07/08/2007 3:08:43 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
That was one of the many mistakes the article from Lambert Dolphin makes. That scripture clearly shows us that Paul is warning everyone that his first letter to the Thessalonians (4:17)confused folks, as it does today.

I don't believe it was Paul's letter that confused the people...

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

It appears that there were some 'brethern' going around telling the Thessalonians that the Rapture and the 2nd Coming of Jesus (the Day of the Lord) were the same event...And the Thessalonians were thinking they missed the Rapture...

We will all experience Satan's tribulation before Christ arrives.

1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

No wrath to come for Christians...And again,

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Paul is telling these folks that they DID NOT miss the Rapture...The proof??? Because the man of sin will be revealed before Jesus Christ His face to the entire World...

And how do we know that the Rapture happens first???

Again, there are many scripture that bear this out:

1Th 3:13 To the end he may establish your hearts unblamable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints

When the Lord Jesus comes to take out the man of sin at the end of the Tribulation, His church, His bride, His saints show up WITH HIM.

66 posted on 07/08/2007 4:03:24 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Ping-Pong; Iscool; CA Conservative; labette
We will all experience Satan's tribulation before Christ arrives.

That is true, however the Tribulation spoken of in Revelation and Daniel is not "Satan's" tribulation, but God's judgment.

So will we all experience "God's Judgment" or will we, like Noah, be taken out before God pours out his wrath upon the earth?

I believe that the Church which exists today will be taken out before God pours out his judgment. We will then be united at the end of God's judgment with the believers in Christ who come to Christ and endure to the end of the Tribulation.

That's what I believe. I may be wrong. I've studied this issue in detail over the last 40 years, and I think that it makes more sense than believing that the Bride of Christ will go through the pouring out of the wrath of God upon the earth.

We will go through Satan's tribulation and many already have. The evil that we have here on earth is the tribulations caused by the adversary. The tribulation that will precede the coming of Christ is GOD's tribulation. Big difference.

75 posted on 07/08/2007 4:53:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Ping-Pong; attiladhun2; P-Marlowe; Iscool; labette; tnarg

“How does he interpret that to mean anyone will be raptured out of here and miss it?”

2 Thess. 2:3, “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” has to be read with the rest of the passage where Paul states, 2 Thess. 2:7-9, “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders”.

Now who is “he who now letteth” that is taken out of the the way? It has to be either the church or the Holy Spirit and if the latter, then the church is gone also since it only exists becsuse of the presence of the Holy Spirit in it. After “he who now letteth” is gone, then the “Wicked” one is revealed “whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders”. So for a time Satan and his anti-christ are given time to do some work, but the Holy Spirit is not present (which means the church is not present) as He was before He was taken out of the way. This is all before the second coming.


79 posted on 07/08/2007 6:58:13 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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