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To: Diego1618; Ping-Pong; Alamo-Girl
Well....aside from all the proof I have provided showing that Ruth was an Israelite living in the plains of Moab

All this evidence and you keep coming back to the Kinsman Redeemer.

I agree that you have presented evidence, but I don't consider it proof. I am not surprised that we disagree on many details; our doctrine is built on details. We fit them into our thinking like a pieces in a puzzle. You have been tugging on one of the foundational pillars of my doctrine.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
I believe that the book of Ruth is scripture and because it is scripture, it testifies of Christ. Do you see Christ in the book of Ruth?

Christ is the kinsman-redeemer, and he can redeem Ruth even when the nearer kinsman, the law, cannot.

I think it is obvious that Boaz is a picture of Christ. What can we say of the other people, places, things and events? Do they also have meaning? Can we discern what that meaning is? I have answered those questions for myself.

Back to the details; you have said that you don't think Ruth or Rahab would not have been eligible to be in the linage of Christ if they were in fact a Moabitess and a harlot. There were 77 generations of sinners from Adam to Christ.(63 generations if you look at Matthew) What criteria allows a murderer and excludes a harlot?

I think everyone would agree that Boaz had designs on Ruth.

Not everyone; I grant you that it is possible, especially if Boaz is typical of Christ, but I believe that Rahab the Harlot was Boaz's mother. It may be a bit of a stretch, but it means that Boaz, Obed, and Jesse would have had to have been in their mid to late nineties when their respective sons were born. Perhaps that will put a different perspective on the story considering that the nearer kinsman was probably Boaz's older brother.

The reason the genealogies in Matthew and Luke do not show Mahlon as the father of Obed was because Boaz was not married and had no prior children....so the genealogy stayed through him.

This would make Obed a firstborn son. I am arguing from structure here. The firstborn is the natural man, the second born is the spiritual man. In most cases, we are not told of other brothers in Christ's linage. In the cases where we are told, we can discern that the firstborn is not in the line to Christ. We are not told whether Boaz was married or had other children. I suspect that he was married partly because of his age. Remember the 10 generations from Pharez to David's ascension the throne spanned about 700 years.

Seven

520 posted on 08/04/2007 2:49:59 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0; Ping-Pong
Back to the details; you have said that you don't think Ruth or Rahab would not have been eligible to be in the linage of Christ if they were in fact a Moabitess and a harlot.

I never said she (Rahab) was unwelcome to the lineage of Our Lord because she was a harlot. What I said was this: [Deuteronomy 7:1-4] When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. Rahab was a Canaanite.

The reason I mentioned harlot was to differentiate Rahab from Rachab of [Matthew 1:5]....the mother of Boaz. They have differently spelled names and Rachab is not given the "Harlot" adjective like all scriptures dealing with Rahab......both Old and New Testament.

Now The Kingdom of Moab was not mentioned in the above command from The Lord because they did not enter The Kingdom of Moab [Deuteronomy 2:8-9] And when we passed by from our brethren the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, through the way of the plain from Elath, and from Eziongaber, we turned and passed by the way of the wilderness of Moab. And the LORD said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession.

The part of Moab that became "Israelite Moab" had been taken from the Moabites previously by the Amorites [Deuteronomy 2:24][Numbers 21:23-26] and indeed Moses is here speaking to the Israelites on "The Plains of Moab" [Numbers 35:1-2][Numbers 33:48-50]....now belonging to Israel....and the eventual birthplace and home of Ruth.

And, of course....another reason Ruth was not of The Kingdom of Moab was [Deuteronomy 23:3] An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever.

530 posted on 08/04/2007 5:21:48 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Seven_0

Thanks for the ping!


535 posted on 08/04/2007 8:50:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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