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To: fortheDeclaration
No, He is coming for us,(1Thess.4:17) that is why those passages refer to the Jew and not the Church-the Church will not be on earth during the Tribulation.

1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

If we are alive (not spiritually dead) and remain it means we waited for the true Christ, did not fall for the deceit of the fake, and we will be caught in our spirit bodies (in the air), as detailed in 1 Corinthians 15:52:

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This happens at the last trump and that is the 7th. That is when the change takes place - not before. To nail that fact down Paul sent a 2nd. letter to the Thessalonians to clarify his first letter:

2 Thess.22:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2.That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3.Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

The word is temple, which you have already admitted...So you are denying what you have already to be a fact as stated in 2Thess.2....What's the matter, no help from Strong's on that one?

#3485 Naos; from a primary naio (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple - shrine, temple. Comp 2411 - hieron, neut. of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere): - temple

So... couldn't that be the Dome of the Rock, a shrine, sacred place that stands where the Temple stood? The place is referred to both as the Holy Place and Temple in different verses on the same subject.

[ Those who follow the Anti-Christ will be awed by the signs and wonders he does and his promise of peace.....That will be the deception, not the view of the rapture.]

We have already established he is coming after Christians, (those that have the testimony of Jesus). Those Christians have been taught about the deception of Satan so that should not deceive them. What else do they have to be deceived about???

Ping - Just remember, there are two tribulations and you must wait for the true Christ:......FTD - There are two tribulations?....One isn't enough?

He tells us there are two. The first is the one Christians should worry about. If they don't fall for the lies then the tribulation of Jesus won't affect us. We are His children - but we will be here for both.

Satan comes when he is cast out of heaven in Rev.12.

Yes, Michael kicks him out and that is at the 6th trump, 6th seal and 6th vial.

Christ comes back for His Church before He returns to set up His Millennial Kingdom in Rev.19.

No FTD, he doesn't. We will all be here.

That 'work' is not done by us,(flesh) it is done by God when we yield to the Holy Spirit (Rom.6)

I agree that it is Him working through us but it is none-the-less "work".

483 posted on 07/30/2007 10:03:04 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Diego1618

Please explain to me 1 Kings 13. Vs.32, I guess, tells us that the “man of God’s” death made them believe he had spoken the truth. However.....why did the one man in the town lie to him to get the man of God to go with him. What was the purpose? This is a very strange chapter.


484 posted on 07/30/2007 12:20:23 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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