To me, this is speaking about God's children forsaking Him for other religions, idols, etc. The King and Prince is Christ, not an earthly king. In the latter days, all of the children of Israel will seek Him.
In 1Cor.10:32, Paul says give no offense to three different groups of people, Jews, Gentiles and Church....Had a 4th existed known as Israelites, he would have included them as well.
The Church, as Paul used it here, means: "The Greek word ekklesia means assembly, or a gathering of called-out ones. It can be used of Israel, as a People called out from the rest of the nations (Gen.28:3) or of the tribal council of Simeon and Levi, those called out from each tribe, or of an assembly of Israelites called out for worship or any other purpose. Finally, the special Pauline usage of ekklesia differs from all these. Other assemblies consisted of called-out ones from Jews, or from Gentiles (Acts 18:22) but this new body is of called-out ones from both." E.W. Bullinger
So...Paul does mention the Israelites along with the Jews and Gentiles - they are the church.
Until then, the Jew is under the curse of Deut.28, being dispersed and dispised.
Verse 15 tells us that being cursed will happen "if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day: that all these curses shall come upon thee and overtake thee:
It seems all of God's children didn't follow His commandments and statutes, and many continue that today. Some in the world wonder why they are cursed. They should study that verse for the answer. Please note vs.64, where it states: And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. And He did.
That verse answers your question, "Well, if you can't show that the tribes had migrated then the view is built on a very shakey foundation!. God scattered them.
As for the rapture, there will be one (1Thess.4:16)
This is the subject that started this discussion. I must disagree with you on this too. I believe scripture tells us what to do in end times, Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, and that we will be here. If you want to argue those scriptures I will but if not please remember, the anti-christ comes first pretending to be Christ. Do not follow him. If we all get raptured (no questions asked) then there is no problem but if you aren't in a spirit body it is the fake.
These other things we have discussed are interesting and give us more understanding of His Word but I don't believe they have anything to do with salvation. The rapture doctrine might. If it is as I believe, what causes the apostasy of end times, it could lead many to follow Satan, believing he is Christ. Because of that, this subject is one I try to bring up all the time in an effort to make others aware of that possibility.
The bride of Christ is removed before the week of Jacob's trouble begins (Jer.30:7), Daniel's 70th week.
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jacob, changed to Israel, means all 12 tribes. It is a time of trouble for God's children as those are the ones Satan is coming after. Why would God name it Jacob's trouble if Jacob (Israel) was to be "saved out of it"? What trouble could it be to them if they weren't there? The way they are "saved out of it" is by knowing His Word. They won't fall for the deception of that time of trouble because they will know the truth. That is how they are saved. The following verse tells us who Satan is coming after and the verse we just discussed tells us that is Israel - that's why it is important to know who the tribes are. The tribe of Judah does not "have the testimony of Jesus Christ". It is speaking of Christians.
Rev.12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
That verse lets us know that we will be here and that we are the ones he is coming after. We must know the truth about that time. If you believe in a rapture at least be prepared if there isn't one. I don't see how you can do both as being truly prepared is to know what will happen at the end of days, as the above verse states.
What God wants is you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation.
Yes, He is the only way to salvation. If, at the end of days, we follow anti-christ, even unknowingly, then we are no longer saved to Jesus but to Satan. That is why the rapture theory is very dangerous to believe in.
Many people think that their works can save them or keep them saved-they can't.
No, they cannot but they can cover a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)
To me, this is speaking about God's children forsaking Him for other religions, idols, etc. The King and Prince is Christ, not an earthly king. In the latter days, all of the children of Israel will seek Him.
What is saying is that the Israelites will not have any kingdom until the Lord returns.
So the notion that any royal families came from them and established England is a myth.
[ In 1Cor.10:32, Paul says give no offense to three different groups of people, Jews, Gentiles and Church....Had a 4th existed known as Israelites, he would have included them as well. ]
The Church, as Paul used it here, means: "The Greek word ekklesia means assembly, or a gathering of called-out ones. It can be used of Israel, as a People called out from the rest of the nations (Gen.28:3) or of the tribal council of Simeon and Levi, those called out from each tribe, or of an assembly of Israelites called out for worship or any other purpose. Finally, the special Pauline usage of ekklesia differs from all these. Other assemblies consisted of called-out ones from Jews, or from Gentiles (Acts 18:22) but this new body is of called-out ones from both." E.W. Bullinger
The Church never refers to Israel, it refers to those from both Jew and Gentile.
Moreover, called out ones never refers to the Israelites per se.
It is either the entire nation of Israel (Acts.7).
In Acts.18:22, it is referring a Gentile local church.
So show me where Israel is ever called 'ekklessia'(church).
They are never called that as a group.
Are you saying that every Israelite is a member of the Church, and thus saved?
Paul was very clear on those who he was referring to, Jew, Gentiles and Church (body of Christ-Gal.3:28), not local churches, and the Jew refers to everyone in the line of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob and 12 tribes.
So...Paul does mention the Israelites along with the Jews and Gentiles - they are the church.
No, for your theory to be true, all Israelites would have to be the church,and the term Israelite and church would be synonymous, which you know they aren't.
[ Until then, the Jew is under the curse of Deut.28, being dispersed and dispised. ]
Verse 15 tells us that being cursed will happen "if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day: that all these curses shall come upon thee and overtake thee: It seems all of God's children didn't follow His commandments and statutes, and many continue that today. Some in the world wonder why they are cursed. They should study that verse for the answer. Please note vs.64, where it states: And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. And He did.
Yes, He did, all 12 tribes were scattered, all 12 tribes were reunited as a nation and all 12 tribes were scattered again in 70 AD again.
All 12 tribes have again reunited as a nation known as Jews.
That verse answers your question, "Well, if you can't show that the tribes had migrated then the view is built on a very shaky foundation!. God scattered them.
Yes, God did scatter them and reunited them again as a vassel state in Israel.
Both Houses were present when the Lord was born and thus, they were all known as Jews.
[ As for the rapture, there will be one (1Thess.4:16) ]
This is the subject that started this discussion. I must disagree with you on this too. I believe scripture tells us what to do in end times, Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, and that we will be here. If you want to argue those scriptures I will but if not please remember, the anti-christ comes first pretending to be Christ. Do not follow him. If we all get raptured (no questions asked) then there is no problem but if you aren't in a spirit body it is the fake.
That's correct, we don't have to worry about the anti-Christ.
Read the Gospels and it is the Jews that Christ is warning, not the Church.
You will note also that a Temple will be built that will house the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel.
These other things we have discussed are interesting and give us more understanding of His Word but I don't believe they have anything to do with salvation. The rapture doctrine might. If it is as I believe, what causes the apostasy of end times, it could lead many to follow Satan, believing he is Christ. Because of that, this subject is one I try to bring up all the time in an effort to make others aware of that possibility.
Those who follow the Anti-Christ will be awed by the signs and wonders he does and his promise of peace.
That will be the deception, not the view of the rapture.
[ The bride of Christ is removed before the week of Jacob's trouble begins (Jer.30:7), Daniel's 70th week. Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. ]
Jacob, changed to Israel, means all 12 tribes. It is a time of trouble for God's children as those are the ones Satan is coming after. Why would God name it Jacob's trouble if Jacob (Israel) was to be "saved out of it"? What trouble could it be to them if they weren't there? The way they are "saved out of it" is by knowing His Word. They won't fall for the deception of that time of trouble because they will know the truth. That is how they are saved. The following verse tells us who Satan is coming after and the verse we just discussed tells us that is Israel - that's why it is important to know who the tribes are. The tribe of Judah does not "have the testimony of Jesus Christ". It is speaking of Christians.
No, Jacob always refers to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not the Church.
Israel is saved from destruction by the appearance of Christ to save them (Zech.12:10)
Israel is not the church.
Rev.12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. That verse lets us know that we will be here and that we are the ones he is coming after. We must know the truth about that time. If you believe in a rapture at least be prepared if there isn't one. I don't see how you can do both as being truly prepared is to know what will happen at the end of days, as the above verse states.
Israel is not the Church.
Israel is from the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Rom.9:4-5)
[ What God wants is you to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation. ]
Yes, He is the only way to salvation. If, at the end of days, we follow anti-christ, even unknowingly, then we are no longer saved to Jesus but to Satan. That is why the rapture theory is very dangerous to believe in.
No what is dangerous is thinking that you are Israelites and are not.
Israelites are Jews and will be reunited as individual tribes in the Millennial Kingdom.
The Church does not get any physical inheritance in the Kingdom, but reigns with Christ if we have suffered with Him (2Tim.2:11)
The Church is not Israel.
[ Many people think that their works can save them or keep them saved-they can't. ]
No, they cannot but they can cover a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)
Works never cover any sins!
That passage states that if one converts a sinner it shall save his soul from hell and hide a multitude of sins.
There is no works mentioned in that passage!
Peter states that it is charity that covers the multitude of sins, not works (1Pe.4:8).