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To: fortheDeclaration; Diego1618
I'm combining all of your posts, to me, here.

They never migrated, they were dispersed.

This article was originally about the rapture doctrine and has somehow become stuck on the tribes. I personally think you have lost on both counts but would be happen to continue on both subjects.

Yes they were dispersed and then they migrated.

What you are talking about is mere fantasy, not biblical fact.

You have been buried in biblical fact and don't recognize it.

No, the author doesn't claim that every British Israelite is antisemitic, only that it can lead that by assuming that God is now blessing the Gentile (who are the 'real' lost tribes.

I don't agree with what you think the author said.

I posted an article explaining what British Israelites teach.

No, you posted an article that someone who disagrees with them teaches.

Now there may be differences between particular groups,but in general, there is a view that the 10 tribes are 'lost' and have become some other race.....That is simply nonsense.

I NEVER said the 10 lost tribes have become any other race.

They became the three different families because the DNA code was in their genes.

No they didn't. I gave you the answer but you don't see it.

And the Children of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob haven't become anyone else, they are Jews, Israelites, Hebrews, heirs to the Covenant Promises of God.

Yes, you are correct and that is what we have been saying. Some are Jews, all are Israelites - all of the 12 tribes.

Another Temple will be built since the sacrifices will start again (Dan.8:11-12, Mt.24:15, Rev.11:2)

Daniel 8:11 tells us the daily sacrifice will be taken away because when the anti-christ is here most will believe he is Christ, so communion is no longer given to Christ (it's taken away) but given to anti-christ.

Matthew 24:15 tells us that the anti-christ will stand in Jerusalem, in the Holy place, (Dome of the Rock), pretending to be Christ and it is then the end of days.

Revelation 11:2 Here we pick up the subject in vs. 1 where it states the "reed like a rod" was given to the angel. A side note in my Companion Bible states that, "This measuring reed is like a sceptre, and measures for destruction, not for building". So...the temple (their place of worship) will be destroyed.

My belief is that the 3 references you have given are about the end of days and where the anti-christ will be and that is in Jerusalem at their place of worship, which would be the Dome of the Rock. At least, that is what I believe.

"I don't understand why you say that. They are the same 12 named in the Bible.:....Well, then they must still be in existance since they are returned....So, where do you think they are now?

Yes they are still in existence and will be joined with the house of Judah. I believe they are the Christian nations of today (my belief as It isn't written, as far as I know).

All the tribes are represented under the general term 'Jew' as it was used in the New Testament, when Christ was called the King of the Jews.....Do you think He is only King of the Southern tribes!

He is King of all, including King of the Jews and King of Israel.

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto Him, "Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God; Thou art the King of Israel."

When was the last time you saw someone live to over 900 years old?

I don't know what that has to do with anything. I do believe people lived to that age but what does living a long time have to do with one man and woman having 3 different races in their sons?

Oh, another run to Strongs!

If you want to understand you should try it.

And what is the 'deep' significance of this 'fact'that you think you have found in the Bible that the Jews and Israelites are two different people.

They are not different people, they are the same family but God separates them as the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel". Both are God's chosen people.

by the way, you state that you are a Christian. I assume that to mean you believe in the Trinity?

I don't have an official version of the Trinity. I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I truly have never given that much thought to it, except to find it a confusing concept at times. It is enough for me to know they ARE.

244 posted on 07/17/2007 11:02:12 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
[I'm combining all of your posts, to me, here.]

They never migrated, they were dispersed. This article was originally about the rapture doctrine and has somehow become stuck on the tribes. I personally think you have lost on both counts but would be happen to continue on both subjects. Yes they were dispersed and then they migrated.

And what proof do you have that they migrated?

Zero!

[ What you are talking about is mere fantasy, not biblical fact. ]

You have been buried in biblical fact and don't recognize it.

No, what you and your partner have been sprouting is hot air, not Biblical fact.

[ No, the author doesn't claim that every British Israelite is antisemitic, only that it can lead that by assuming that God is now blessing the Gentile (who are the 'real' lost tribes. ]

I don't agree with what you think the author said. P> Fine, show from the article that the author states that all British Israelites are anti-semetic.

[ I posted an article explaining what British Israelites teach. ]

, No, you posted an article that someone who disagrees with them teaches.

Yes, he disagrees with what they teach, but explains what they teach and their errors.

[ Now there may be differences between particular groups,but in general, there is a view that the 10 tribes are 'lost' and have become some other race.....That is simply nonsense. ]

I NEVER said the 10 lost tribes have become any other race.

Well, if they migrated, then where and who are they?

[ They became the three different families because the DNA code was in their genes. ]

No they didn't. I gave you the answer but you don't see it.

You didn't give me an answer, you have no answers, only conjectures.

[ And the Children of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob haven't become anyone else, they are Jews, Israelites, Hebrews, heirs to the Covenant Promises of God. ]

Yes, you are correct and that is what we have been saying. Some are Jews, all are Israelites - all of the 12 tribes.

The Jews are Israelites and the Israelites are Jews.

[ Another Temple will be built since the sacrifices will start again (Dan.8:11-12, Mt.24:15, Rev.11:2) ]

Daniel 8:11 tells us the daily sacrifice will be taken away because when the anti-christ is here most will believe he is Christ, so communion is no longer given to Christ (it's taken away) but given to anti-christ. Matthew 24:15 tells us that the anti-christ will stand in Jerusalem, in the Holy place, (Dome of the Rock), pretending to be Christ and it is then the end of days. Revelation 11:2 Here we pick up the subject in vs. 1 where it states the "reed like a rod" was given to the angel. A side note in my Companion Bible states that, "This measuring reed is like a sceptre, and measures for destruction, not for building". So...the temple (their place of worship) will be destroyed. My belief is that the 3 references you have given are about the end of days and where the anti-christ will be and that is in Jerusalem at their place of worship, which would be the Dome of the Rock. At least, that is what I believe.

There you go denying the Scriptures again.

2Thess.2 states that the Anti-Christ sits in a Temple and for the sacrifices begin again there has to be another Jewish Temple for them to be in.

And I note that you are using Bullinger, just like your teacher Murry does.

Bullinger believed in 'soul sleep' do you believe in that to?

[ "I don't understand why you say that. They are the same 12 named in the Bible.:....Well, then they must still be in existance since they are returned....So, where do you think they are now? ]

Yes they are still in existence and will be joined with the house of Judah. I believe they are the Christian nations of today (my belief as It isn't written, as far as I know).

Bingo.

Finally, you are exposed!

Saying that lost 10 tribes are the Christian nations are today is British-Israelism.

[ All the tribes are represented under the general term 'Jew' as it was used in the New Testament, when Christ was called the King of the Jews.....Do you think He is only King of the Southern tribes! ]

He is King of all, including King of the Jews and King of Israel. John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto Him, "Rabbi, Thou art the Son of God; Thou art the King of Israel."

That is correct, Christ is ruler over all of the 12 tribes of Israel.

That is what His title of being King of the Jews means.

[ When was the last time you saw someone live to over 900 years old? ]

I don't know what that has to do with anything. I do believe people lived to that age but what does living a long time have to do with one man and woman having 3 different races in their sons? ]

Well, if that is possible, why is not possible for God to have the DNA arranged so that can happen?

That is where the three races came from, Noah and his three sons.

Where do you think they came from?

[ Oh, another run to Strongs! ]

If you want to understand you should try it.

Strongs doesn't explain anything and many of his definitions are flawed and incomplete.

Strong's is for people who want to rewrite the Bible to meet their own theological views.

[ And what is the 'deep' significance of this 'fact'that you think you have found in the Bible that the Jews and Israelites are two different people. ]

They are not different people, they are the same family but God separates them as the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel". Both are God's chosen people.

Yes, they are considered two different Houses, and the House of Israel was present at Pentacost when Peter addressed them as such (Acts.2:36).

Which means that they are also considered Jews, since it was the Jews who Paul said killed Christ,(1Thess.2:14-15) both Houses, not just Judea.

[ by the way, you state that you are a Christian. I assume that to mean you believe in the Trinity? ]

I don't have an official version of the Trinity. I believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I truly have never given that much thought to it, except to find it a confusing concept at times. It is enough for me to know they ARE.

Well, I can understand being confused by it, but your teacher, Andrew Murray teaches a heresy known as modalism, which is that there is one God, performing three different functions.

There are in fact, three persons, who share one God essence.(Mt.28:19)

246 posted on 07/17/2007 1:05:39 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Ping-Pong

We believe that the New Covenant was made with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-12) which meant Israel was to become Christian and that Jesus confirmed that Covenant (Galations 3:16-17; Romans 15:8).

We believe that after Christ’s death and resurrection Israel was to be called by a new name (Isaiah 62:2). Israel was not to be remembered by her old name (Hosea 2:17); and, the new name was to be the Lord’s Name (II Chronicles 7:14) which would be CHRISTIAN (Christ man) (Acts 11:26; I Peter 4:16).
http://www.shepherdschapel.com/statement2.htm


247 posted on 07/17/2007 1:16:12 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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