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To: DelphiUser; colorcountry; All

I would appreciate it if you (DU and CC) could answer the following questions.

1. If your beliefs are correct what will it cost you? What will you gain? What’s the emotional payoff?

2. If your beliefs are not correct what will you lose? Are you diminished by losing? What is the cost, not only to you but to others?

3. If both of your beliefs are incorrect what will it cost you and others? Will you regret the time you have spent arguing?

Thanks


816 posted on 07/12/2007 11:06:09 AM PDT by Truth-Miner (The Child in us desires Truth to bend to our perspective, may we all be Adults.)
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To: Truth-Miner
1. If your beliefs are correct what will it cost you? What will you gain? What’s the emotional payoff?

These questions are WAY too big to be answered in this space. That is why DU, others and I keep having these extended coversations. I have posted thousands of posts regarding the issue of whether or no the LDS religion is part of the Christian Church. Needless to say If I am correct, my family, friends and community are damned....I am trying to save as many as possible from what I see as heresy.

2. If your beliefs are not correct what will you lose? Are you diminished by losing? What is the cost, not only to you but to others?

If my beliefs are not correct, and the LDS position is, then I have doomed myself to outer darkness, sinces I have partaken of "sacred covenants." If my beliefs are incorrect and there is no Christ, then we are all doomed to nothingness, then I must try to form morals and ethics that have nothing to do with Christianity, and I will go backward to my beliefs in nothing but hedonism and enjoying each moment without a thought to others or eternity (been there done that, am saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone). Now I live for His glory.

3. If both of your beliefs are incorrect what will it cost you and others? Will you regret the time you have spent arguing?

I do not regret the time I have in discussion with others about any topic. It is the only way to learn. When we shut our brains off to wonderment and examination, we might as well exist....um, well in outer darkness. Just my two cents.

820 posted on 07/12/2007 11:16:59 AM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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To: Truth-Miner; DelphiUser; colorcountry; All

That particular thought experiment is called “Pascal’s Wager.”

It goes something like this: “What are the consequences if you are right and I am wrong; and what are the consequences if I am right and you are wrong?”

If we limit the gedankenexperiment using standard caveats to only apply to a contrast between Mormonism and other forms of Christianity (milieu to only Christianity, assume the traditional definition of God is correct [omnipotent, omnibenevolent, rewards honest seekers, punishes the evil and those with feigned faith], God rewards the members who believe and follow their church’s teachings); we arrive at the following:

1) If Mormonism is true, righteous adherents are exalted in the Celestial Kingdom (become gods by grace). Righteous non-Mormon Christians go to heaven in the Terrestial Kingdom.

2A) If Mormonism is false, righteous Mormons go to hell for all eternity. Righteous non-Mormon Christians who belong to the true church go to heaven.

2B) If Mormonism is false, righteous Mormons go to HEAVEN for all eternity TOGETHER WITH righteous non-Mormon Christians BECAUSE what is important is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, where one accepts him as Lord and Savior, not membership in a particular church.

Thus, anti-Mormons need to be careful with their own theology since they CANNOT consistently claim a personal relationship with Christ is all that’s needed for salvation and not membership in a particular church if they say with the same breath membership in the LDS church automatically sends people to hell.

That is illogical. Both Mormons and other Christians worship and think of the same person when considering Jesus Christ. We both think of the person born of the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem 2000 years ago who took upon himself the sins of the world and died so we may live. We both think of him as the Only Begotten Son of God and of being God incarnate. Thus, if a personal relationship with Christ is all that’s needed for salvation; Mormons are then saved since we ALL have that relationship. Christ is the center of our lives and being.

Consequently, 1) if Mormonism is true, the righteous non-Mormon Christian will receive eternal bliss in the Terrestial Kingdom (the conventional imagery of what heaven looks like) while the righteous Mormon becomes a God by Grace, in perfect union with the Godhead.

2A) If Mormonism is false and membership in the true church is necessary for salvation (like what the Roman Catholic church taught for centuries); Mormons are then going to hell.

2B) If Mormonism is false and membership in the true church is NOT necessary for salvation, only a personal relationship with Christ (like what nearly all Protestants teach); Mormons are then going to heaven together with the other righteous Christians.

Which side has the greatest chance of being correct? Of course I believe #1 since it takes into consideration the fact there are different kinds of people in the world, the vast majority of whom lived and died without ever hearing about Christ.


878 posted on 07/12/2007 12:34:27 PM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Truth-Miner
To answer your questions:

1. If your beliefs are correct what will it cost you? What will you gain? What’s the emotional payoff?

1a - My life, as I strive to live Gods commands daily
1b - My Life eternally, with God, like God as a God.
1c - Emotional? My payoff is real if you insist on calling it a payoff.

2. If your beliefs are not correct what will you lose? Are you diminished by losing? What is the cost, not only to you but to others?

2a - My life, but I will have lead a happy one, full of meaning, at least to me.
2b - I will not be diminished by losing as I will either be an honest soul who did his best, or not exist anymore.
2c - I will not have Cost anyone anything for I did not drive anyone from the truth, I invited people to what truth I had, right or wrong, that is a good thing.

3. If both of your beliefs are incorrect what will it cost you and others? Will you regret the time you have spent arguing?

3a - If my beliefs are incorrect, there are many on this forum arguing against me who are now worse off than if my beliefs were correct.
3b - No, it was fun.

Thanks for the interesting and thought provoking question!
882 posted on 07/12/2007 12:40:33 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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