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To: Edward Watson

And what of the Christians that have been touched by the Holy Spirit and led to Christ and the Church? You deny Satan or self-delusion can touch you but believe the Christian church to be in apostasy and false. You know that cults exist and that people give their testimony for cults all the time, yet you deny the possability for yourself.

Anyway, do Mormons believe there is no first creator, that existence is eternal, are they athiestic in that sense and no God created existence itself, but existence itself created a being superior to us that you call God through some sort of unexplained accident like a darwinism for Gods? Or are they agnostic and say they don’t know what created existence? Basically, is it atheism or agnosticism on the matter of creation itself?


545 posted on 07/10/2007 1:59:28 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Greg F

What about them? For someone who is so hostile towards Mormonism, you don’t seem to realize the faith has a tiered eschatology that is a lot more charitable and humane than others who condemn the majority of humanity to endless torture in hell. Anyone who professes faith in Christ and lives in accordance with his wishes has salvation - he or she will go to heaven. However, those who want to receive the fullness of God’s blessings, which confers divine sonship by Grace (i.e., exaltation, becoming Gods), will need to join his church, receive all the necessary ordinances, and maintain faithfulness until the end. These select few move on to the next stage of evolution so to speak.

Everyone will have a chance to be exalted. There are untold millions of the righteous who will refuse, and prefer to stay where they are, enjoying companionship with Christ in heaven (what we call the Terrestial Kingdom). Whatever you consider heaven to be - the most wonderful place imaginable - that’s the Terrestrial Kingdom. A place of eternal bliss.

The Celestial Kingdom is higher and different - it is also a place of eternal bliss but it is a place that allows eternal progression. Those eligible to be exalted develop, grow, and metamorphoses into replicas of the exalted Christ. They receive both the blessings of divinity as well as the responsibility that goes with it. To say nothing about the pain of seeing one’s spirit children rebel and suffer as well as the fecund joy when they succeed and are happy themselves.

Lookit, if you don’t want to be exalted, who’s forcing you? You don’t have to join the Mormon church in order to be saved and go to heaven. Stay where you are, have faith in Christ and live righteously. You will be judged and be blessed with eternal bliss in heaven. Why get upset just because we call this heaven the Terrestrial Kingdom and believe in the Celestial Kingdom and exaltation?

As for those who refuse to accept Christ but live righteously, they will also go to a heaven, but the Telestial Kingdom, a lower heaven where they will not associate with Christ. Frankly, I don’t see what the big deal is if they go to a heaven and enjoy eternal bliss - if they rejected Christ when they had a chance; why would they want to live with him for all eternity? At least we don’t condemn the righteous unbeliever to unending torture in hell.

Read what I wrote about the apostasy - it simply means loss of genuine authority. It doesn’t mean those belonging to apostate churches are all evil and will be punished for all eternity.

Lastly, Mormonism believes God created this entire universe but he himself originated from an ancestral universe, which originated from an earlier universe, ad infinitum. The universes and “Gods” (all-good entities capable of manipulating reality and create universes according to their desires) stretch back into infinity. IOW, it’s an infinitely long chain without beginning and without end.

Please read what I wrote on the subject for further clarification http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id76.htm


556 posted on 07/10/2007 2:42:33 PM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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