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To: colorcountry; DelphiUser; Edward Watson
I wrote:

"So how do you answer all those who did read the BOM, and prayed for Holy Spirit guidance....and left the Mormon church?"

DelphiUser replied:

"I could give many answers, but some people just aren't ready yet seems to be the most appropriate, I'm sure a one size fits all answer is wrong in many specific applications of it to any specific person."

CC wrote: "And now we see the biggest threat Mormonism poses to Christianity. One only has to visit sites like ex-mormon.org to see the truth of your following statement. Mormonism has robbed its members of even a potential belief in the true God of Abraham, and the true Christ and the viability of the Bible as the word of God"

Proves in my mind that...Mormon's believe that their church alone is THE ANSWER..and "other Christians" are doomed. Which poses the dichotomy that they are always complaining about having their Christianity questioned. Explaining that "they" are the same as us.....

But wait, DelphiUser says those that have prayed and received answers and LEFT the Mormon Church are "just not ready yet" ( supposely meaning that they aren't ready to "see the light" of Mormonism )...

And Watson says "Despite this, I firmly believe it’s the true church and if it isn’t, then there is no “true church” on the earth, and probably no God either."

Can't have it both ways folks. Ya just can't yell to the treetops that you are "just like other, Christians"..then say if Mormonism isn't the "True Church" then God doesn't exist. Or say...."but some people just aren't ready yet"..after they have sought the Holy Spirit and read the BOM..and rejected it. But affirm their Christianity, based on their knowledge of the NT.

FWIW-

536 posted on 07/10/2007 1:08:24 PM PDT by Osage Orange (“To call illegal aliens, undocumented workers, is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacists.”)
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To: Osage Orange

People say that, but I simply don’t believe it. I received an answer to my sincere prayer concerning the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. The answer was the opposite of what I expected. I did not want the Book of Mormon to be true. I did not believe the story at all, thinking it was a fanciful fable. And yet I followed Christ’s admonition that if we ask the Father in his name we will receive.

When I prayed in all sincerity concerning the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, I received the shock of my life when I got an actual response in the affirmative. I had no doubt God answered my prayer. I then resolved to act upon the revelation and joined the church despite overwhelming opposition by my family and the consequences of my conversion (kicked out of the house and my senior year in my Catholic high school).

From that moment on, I knew three things, God is real, Jesus really is the Son of God, and the Book of Mormon was genuine Scripture. Nothing has been able to shake me from these convictions because I knew God answered my prayer.

For ANYONE to tell me they prayed to God and received an opposite answer automatically tells me that they are LYING. Why? Because if that was the case, God is then subjective and gives different answers to different people.

I’m sorry, I simply do not believe anyone who says God told him otherwise. Would you believe someone who tells you they prayed to God and received an answer telling them Jesus is NOT the Son of God? I know he is because of my answered prayer - the same God told that truth to me. Should I then disbelieve God?

No, I’m immovable on this issue - I know what happened to me. I know God is real, I know Jesus is his Son, and I know the Book of Mormon is genuine Scripture. The same revelation told me these things simultaneously.

If God allowed me to be deceived by Satan, as many anti-Mormons alleged, why then would he tell me God is real and Jesus is his Son? If I somehow tricked myself into believing a falsity, why am I so certain that I am not fearful when standing before God and accusing him of lying to me when I came to him in sincere prayer? I’ll gladly go to hell than serve such a deceitful God.

It’s now been more than 22 years since that summer day and my spiritual testimony has been reinforced by Scriptures and logic, giving me an unbreakable faith of both spiritual and intellectual witnesses of the authenticity of Mormonism. Where can I find something better? Nowhere!


542 posted on 07/10/2007 1:48:07 PM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Osage Orange; colorcountry; Edward Watson
Proves in my mind that...

I am always glad to help someone make up their mind when they are felling indecisive... Mormon's believe that their church alone is THE ANSWER..and "other Christians" are doomed.

Unfortunately, this is an incorrect interpretation of Mormon Doctrine, while we claim to be the only true church, we also believe only willfully bad people of a very high level of knowledge are doomed (Cain and the Antichrist spoken of in the book of Revelations are good examples) So I am sorry to disappoint you you do not qualify for being doomed.

As for claiming to be the "True Church" this is a silly argument on the face of it, I have never seen a church that claimed they are the "Untrue" or "Wrong" church, they all claim to be true so getting your nose bent out of shape about it just does not make sense.

Which poses the dichotomy that they are always complaining about having their Christianity questioned. Explaining that "they" are the same as us.....

Yep, we claim to have the true Gospel just like the Catholics, We claim to be the only true church, just like th Catholics, we claim to be Christian, Just like the Catholics, nobody is saying the Catholics aren't Christian because of these things... what's the problem again?

But wait, DelphiUser says those that have prayed and received answers and LEFT the Mormon Church are "just not ready yet" ( supposely meaning that they aren't ready to "see the light" of Mormonism )...

(I just have to ask...Is there a valid point anywhere in our future?)

Can't have it both ways folks. Ya just can't yell to the treetops that you are "just like other, Christians"..then say if Mormonism isn't the "True Church" then God doesn't exist. Or say...."but some people just aren't ready yet"..after they have sought the Holy Spirit and read the BOM..and rejected it. But affirm their Christianity, based on their knowledge of the NT.

So, IF one person is not ready to commit the whole church is wrong? ROTFLOL!

Love the logic, keep on posting it!

DU
787 posted on 07/12/2007 9:10:49 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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