• Terrestrial kingdom—People who refuse to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ but who live honorable lives will receive a place in the terrestrial kingdom.
• Telestial kingdom—Those who continue in their sins and do not repent until after they have died, will eventually receive a place in the telestial kingdom.
A Christian response to the "third heaven" Paul speaks of is as follows, which is careful not to exceed what the text of Scripture and the Holy Spirit tell us. Unlike the LDS description which plucks its florid definition out of thin air...
In 2 Corinthians 12:2 this man, maybe Paul, is caught up to the third heaven. What happened to cause him to be caught up to the third heaven and what is the third heaven? Answer (by R. McLaughlin) The meaning of "third heaven" is not entirely clear. Rabbinical sources mention seven heavens, and Paul may have been speaking from this perspective -- perhaps indicating that he had received an incredible revelation, though not the highest. By some accounts, "third" is a temporal referent, the "third heaven" being the one that exists right now, the abode of departed believers. The cause of this "catching up" was God himself, the giver of revelation. The experience is quite similar to a number of Old Testament prophetic experiences (e.g. Isa. 6). God occasionally gave his prophets and apostles (compare John's Revelation) visions of heaven itself. Also, the Old Testament tabernacle and temple were places where heaven and earth intersected. To be in either of these was to be simultaneously in the heavenly court of God, as in Isaiah 6. In any event, since Paul's point is the defense of his own apostleship, we can assume that the revelation surpassed anything that the false apostles (2 Cor. 11:13) claimed for themselves. It was an incredible revelation of the heavenly realm, given directly to Paul (in my opinion Paul was speaking of himself) by God, and given especially for Paul himself (at least in content). Question
I believe that the Father passed through mortal life in the same way that the Son did.
Where is the Scripture for that belief which Christians would label as outright heresy?
If you believe God was once a man like you and me, you must agree with your churches teaching of the following, right?
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" (Teachings of the Prophet, J. F. Smith p 345). "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22). "God himself, the Father of us all was once a man like us." (History of the Church, Vol 6, Joseph Smith p 305).
Where is the Scripture to support any of this peculiar, heretical notion which exalts man at the expense of the Triune God?
Where is the Scripture for that belief which Christians would label as outright heresy?
If you believe God was once a man like you and me, you must agree with your churches teaching of the following, right?
What I sumized, suspect or my common sense tells me or if I connect the dots don't make it scripture or doctrine nor would it be heresy!
Even if you refuse to see or take the word of Jesus he does indicate-
1- Jesus could see his Heavenly Father
2- Jesus was able to see the things his Father taught him.
3- Jesus testified to these things and re enforces what he is trying to tell the mortal man
4- It was vital to Jesus that he do the will of his Father in heaven and give his Father all the glorY.
5- Jesus also insisted that other recognized his Father
6- Jesus keeps stressing the point His Father in Heaven
sent Jesus his only begotton Son to earht.
John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
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30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
What belief is there that some Christian somewhere has not labeled a heresy?
Although this has been fun, when one party to the conversation is reduced to making accusations of heresy, there is little reason to continue. Good day to you.
Worse, it contradicts scripture, proving itself false
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.