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To: Degaston
What I have learn after studying the LDS history is that those who were the first LDS many were former puritans and brought that baggage with them into the restoration of the Lord Church, I being a convert can recognized that so much of what they received was filter through those prisms.

Myself I have watched the metamorphous unfold as each generation brings in the challenge of that generation and how the hand of the Lord edits, builds and magnified his glory upon the children who are malleable. As in the story if the potters clay!

That is why we are taught to listen to the living prophets we have the foundation that Joseph and Brigham and other prophets have received.

But the Living prophets and those who are diligent in their scriptures studies receive continually clarification of the Nature of the Godhead and instuction in how to do the will of the Heavenly Father.

What I mean by this is the Sermon on the Mound aka Beatitudes is the Spiritual guide in the development of the child of God to shed the natural man.

1-When it comes to Jews and Gentiles I think its safe to say that the Mormon church and their apologists definitely have a double standard in their brand of modern day mysticism beliefs.

Sorry I have no clue what you are trying to say!

2-First, we have Joseph Smith declaring through revelation that Zion (location of the New Jerusalem where Jesus will reign for 1000 years) is to be built in Jackson County, Missouri; and he declares a specific border between the lands of US white settlers and American Indians to be the line separating Jew and Gentile with the Indians (called Lamanites) being referred to as Jews.

Those who left the Church in the 80's and 90's or did not pay attention the Church has received a more encompassing understanding on the topic of Zion and Zion is very much covering the whole face of the Earth and will continue to build up the Lord Kingdom until the return of Jesus Christ.

There are two Jerusalem the one in Israel and the New Jerusalem in America both will play a major roll in the return of the Lord.

See http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/57/4b in Latter-day scriptures for more on this. Next, we have sophisticated scientific research in the 20th century and the present plugging holes into the Mormon scriptural claims about the American Indians' ancestry.

These thing have already been done about getting the Land that is needed.

Finally, the apologists and defenders of Mormonism give more weight to the teachings of anti-Mormon and other non-Mormon scientists on the origins of the American Indians than they do the words of Mormon prophets Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson and even Gordon B. Hinckley and other present-day Mormon apostles.

Go read what the so-called apologists/scholars have to say at FARMS (now called the Maxwell Institute). Its amazing how none of them think that the Book of Mormon is a record of the principal ancestors of the American Indians. And their scriptures introduction says, "they [Book of Mormon people] are the principal ancestors of the American Indians"(see http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/introduction).

There is something you are trying to say but it has not reach the printed page!

284 posted on 07/06/2007 10:28:10 PM PDT by restornu (It takes a dyslexic with one crusty eyelid to do the home work!)
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To: restornu
>> Those who left the Church in the 80's and 90's or
>> did not pay attention the Church has received a more
>> encompassing understanding on the topic of Zion and
>> Zion is very much covering the whole face of the Earth

  On January 1, 2000 I was a very strong true believer. At that moment in time I was serving as 2nd Counselor in the Bishopric of my Ward. And I paid very close attention to everything going on in the church then as an avid reader of every Ensign and Church News edition throughout both decades. While at BYU in the late 80s and early 90s I probably read every copy of the Church News from the 1970s and I probably read most of the copies of the Improvement Era from that same timeframe. In my lifetime I've read the Book of Mormon at least 23 times, most likely about 25-26 but I stopped keepin track at around 21. If the Mormon church was true I'd be back in a heartbeat. And that's the truth, period.

338 posted on 07/07/2007 7:18:45 PM PDT by Degaston
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