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To: colorcountry
That wasn’t a lie Spiff. It is easy to get confused when you are LDS and are taught the concept of pre-existence, eternal polygamy, spiritual offspring, .....

It was a lie. You made it up. That beliefs exists in no official LDS doctrine, scripture, etc.

Don’t you wish I would go away and keep quiet?

No, I wish you much happiness in your new faith. And I wish that you'd find another hobby other than making up lies about the beliefs of the LDS Church and reasons why you left.

183 posted on 07/06/2007 7:30:45 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

I didn’t make it up, and I didn’t lie. You are a nasty, vindictive man. I can’t beleive the Mod lets your personal attacks against me stand.

Has anyone else noticed how often these Mormon themed threads turn into “attack the apostate, colorcountry” threads? I wonder why? Can’t you just go merrily on your way without these attacks against my beliefs (like you suggest I do) - or is it just that you want me to shut up?

http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/gods_1.htm

The LDS doctrine concerning the birth of Christ certainly raises more questions than it answers. For instance, in Mormon theology we learn that prior to coming to earth both Jesus and Mary were born to God the Father and His wife in a pre-existent state. From this it is clear that Jesus was the spirit brother of Mary. It has been suggested that since Mary was the spirit daughter of the Father, it would be an act of incest for God the Father to have had a sexual relationship with her.

While Apostle Orson Pratt probably would have argued that God’s laws were “not intended to govern Himself,” the idea of God having relations with his own spirit daughter, who was at that time betrothed to Joseph, seems to be out of step with the teachings of the Bible and morally repugnant. A careful examination of the Mormon teaching concerning the conception of Christ reveals that it is far closer to paganism than it is to Christianity!

http://www.catholic.com/library/Mormon_Stumpers.asp

We first begin to read that Jesus came in the flesh...But suppose I examine that, a moment. The New Testament tells me that the Father gave His only-begotten Son a ransom for the sins of the world. Do you believe that, brother B.? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten Son of the Father? “Yes.” Do you believe the Son was begotten by the Father, as the Apostles said he was? Here I shall have to disagree with you, to begin with; for I believe the Father came down from heaven, as the Apostles said he did, and begot the Saviour of the world; for he is the ONLY-begotten of the Father, which could not be if the Father did not actually beget him in person. (Journal of Discourses, Brigham Young, 1:237-238, July 24, 1853)

...The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband... The very babe that was cradled in the manger, was begotten, not by Joseph, the husband of Mary, but by another Being. Do you inquire by whom? He was begotten by God our heavenly Father. (Journal of Discourses, Brigham Young, 11:268, August 19, 1866)

These are interesting statements, because if we accept them we would also have to believe that the Father committed incest. The Father according to Brigham Young took one of his spirit daughters as his wife and procreated the body of Jesus Christ with her. I find this offensive. Are these isolated teachings only by Brigham Young? No, they are not.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Mormons/mormon_jesus.htm


195 posted on 07/06/2007 8:30:42 AM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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